The Official USA GP 2018 thread *spoilers*

[lord summerisle]

Gaz. said:

Roofless Toothless said:

To be fair, there is one valid question to be asked that comes out of the 'is F1 fixed?' debate.

There can be no doubt that telling a number two driver to move over alters the result of a race, so how does the betting industry handle this? And why should the reaction to it be different than in other sports? Could the law even be involved if it is deemed corruption?

For instance, if in a horse race, a jockey pulled up his horse to make sure a stablemate finished in front, would there not be an outcry from punters who had lost money and the Jockey Club get involved? Or a football team deliberately losing a match to influence another club's progression through a cup competition. Was there not an occasion in the recent World Cup when it was suggested that two national sides were both trying to lose a game to ensure an easier fixture in the next round. How did the betting shops handle that?

I have never placed a bet or been in a bookie's in my life, so this is a genuine question.

I suspect the betting industry would gladly take the money from someone who doesn't know the rules of the sport they are betting on.

Team orders are part of the sport, what isn't is intra-team orders but again self interest makes it hard to police, why would you fight an out of position front runner when he will end up in front of you anyway? I'm not sure when the latter became a trend but I first noticed it in 2012 so perhaps it wasn't an issue for the midfield to fight OOP front runners when the tyres were good?

A bloke from Paddy Power used have a slot on a local radio station during the drivetime show - talking about the chances of various football games going on. But the Presenter asked him a question i sent after the Spa 2008 race about payout on the race results - that get subsequently changed.
His answer was they pay out pretty much immediately on the result (in that case, if you had bet on Hamiliton winning spa, you'd have got your winnings... that he was later demoted to 3rd with the drive through, ment those that had placed a bet on massa to win, also got a payout. Paddy Power took the "hit" on that occasion)

[rdjohn]

Derek Smith said:

topless360 said:

I don't get all the hate for Eddie Jordan, I quite like that he's part of the C4 team. He's not afraid to ask the questions that others won't, and is usually on the ball when it comes to transfer rumours.

Sure he comes out with nonsense from time to time, but so did Murray Walker.

There's an old saying when it comes to interview techniques; The questions don't matter - It's the answers you need. It's a bit glib and has holes, but it shows what I think is wrong with Jordan. He just doesn't get interesting answers. Part of the problem is that he spends too many words. There are often many interpretations of what he's actually asking and the interviewee will opt for the one they find less uncomfortable. We might get insights to what Jordan is thinking, but few answers.

As for his predictive ability; I can't speak for him recently as I tune him out, both physically and mentally, but earlier on this year his hit record was about on par with a blind cobbler. In fact I often think of cobblers when I did listen to him.

One thing I have noticed over this season, and it was very apparent at the last race, is that the others in the presentation team cut him out a bit. They speak when he signals he wants a go.

I accept that Walker too occasionally talked rubbish, but he was a race commentator. He was not there for unscripted interviews. Further, professionalism has moved on from the days of Walker.

If you listened to him on the Beyond the Grid podcast, he says that he plays the role that C4 have asked him to play - I would describe it as “the Machiavellian fool”. It’s just part of the entertainment. Conspiracy theories and wild speculation are what make up a huge amount of posts here on PH.

But I do agree, in interviews, the way that he phrases his question will generally not produce a decent answer. Lee McEnzie could give him some coaching, she has worked with plenty of current drivers to help them with their TV presence.

[HighwayStar]

Interesting piece on Lewis's mind set while dicing with Max... more thought than Vettel generally throughout the season.
Lewis admits he gave Max too much room and Max confirming he could've squeezed him a bit more, so to speak. Max being very reasonable! It looks like he is finally maturing and has some respect for Lewis....

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139558/hamilton-...

[Will-92]

Paul 8v said:

I haven't watched F1 in a long time (I got fed up of there being very little overtaking apart from in the pits) but I thought I'd stick the race on yesterday because of all the hype and it was superb. Are we back to exciting racing or was that a one off and it'll be a procession next time?

Also, is it all on Sky next year?

Edited by Paul 8v on Monday 22 October 22:52

Austin IMO tends to be a really good race so you picked a good one to watch again; I think all of the years since it appeared back in 2012 have had some excitement which is unusual consistency for a newer track.

As for the 2019 season, it's all live on Sky.

Channel 4 will have highlights of all of the races but will only broadcast the British GP live.

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

My personal highlight of the weekend is the frankly absurd and unreal "neeeeeoooww, neeeeeeooooooow" sound courtesy of the camera people in the helicopter, repeated multiple times during the race. Hamerica people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCEtS2GwoZ0

[Polite M135 driver]

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

My personal highlight of the weekend is the frankly absurd and unreal "neeeeeoooww, neeeeeeooooooow" sound courtesy of the camera people in the helicopter, repeated multiple times during the race. Hamerica people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCEtS2GwoZ0

I don't think the sound can be from helicopter people, there is no sound of the helicopter? normally the height shots are accompanied by sort of 'ambient sound' - maybe microphones around the track/at each corner>

since it was on the world feed my guess would be a marshall or some other track worker making the noises near a mic. Can't believe anyone involved in the production would be unprofessional enough to 'ruin' the broadcast like that...

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

Polite M135 driver said:

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

My personal highlight of the weekend is the frankly absurd and unreal "neeeeeoooww, neeeeeeooooooow" sound courtesy of the camera people in the helicopter, repeated multiple times during the race. Hamerica people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCEtS2GwoZ0

I don't think the sound can be from helicopter people, there is no sound of the helicopter? normally the height shots are accompanied by sort of 'ambient sound' - maybe microphones around the track/at each corner>

since it was on the world feed my guess would be a marshall or some other track worker making the noises near a mic. Can't believe anyone involved in the production would be unprofessional enough to 'ruin' the broadcast like that...

You're right there would be helicopter noise there. Which makes it even more ridiculous.

[Deesee]

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

Polite M135 driver said:

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

My personal highlight of the weekend is the frankly absurd and unreal "neeeeeoooww, neeeeeeooooooow" sound courtesy of the camera people in the helicopter, repeated multiple times during the race. Hamerica people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCEtS2GwoZ0

I don't think the sound can be from helicopter people, there is no sound of the helicopter? normally the height shots are accompanied by sort of 'ambient sound' - maybe microphones around the track/at each corner>

since it was on the world feed my guess would be a marshall or some other track worker making the noises near a mic. Can't believe anyone involved in the production would be unprofessional enough to 'ruin' the broadcast like that...

You're right there would be helicopter noise there. Which makes it even more ridiculous.

It will be the same people who did that massive eagle a few years back..

The F1 social media team are all over it

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpO9jkSHsr_/?hl=en&amp...

[Deesee]

Great first lap here from the much maligned Hartley.

Some of the corners resemble driving through a demolition derby.

8 places gained and the best sounding PU on the Grid?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cutting...

Super drive from him.

[RichB]

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

Polite M135 driver said:

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

My personal highlight of the weekend is the frankly absurd and unreal "neeeeeoooww, neeeeeeooooooow" sound courtesy of the camera people in the helicopter, repeated multiple times during the race. Hamerica people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCEtS2GwoZ0

I don't think the sound can be from helicopter people, there is no sound of the helicopter? normally the height shots are accompanied by sort of 'ambient sound' - maybe microphones around the track/at each corner>

since it was on the world feed my guess would be a marshall or some other track worker making the noises near a mic. Can't believe anyone involved in the production would be unprofessional enough to 'ruin' the broadcast like that...

You're right there would be helicopter noise there. Which makes it even more ridiculous.

Yeah, you mean like this? https://youtu.be/wuk8AOjGURE?t=168

[enjo]

Deesee said:

Great first lap here from the much maligned Hartley.

Some of the corners resemble driving through a demolition derby.

8 places gained and the best sounding PU on the Grid?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cutting...

Super drive from him.

The McLaren being passed on both sides by Honda powered cars must've stung them a bit!

[Paul 8v]

Will-92 said:

Austin IMO tends to be a really good race so you picked a good one to watch again; I think all of the years since it appeared back in 2012 have had some excitement which is unusual consistency for a newer track.

As for the 2019 season, it's all live on Sky.

Channel 4 will have highlights of all of the races but will only broadcast the British GP live.

Thanks, I'm sure it's been said before but it's a bit of a shame really. It means new people are less likely to just stumble across the sport by chance if it was on a channel everyone can get, watching the highlights is never quite the same, it's hard to avoid spoilers these days!

[Deesee]

enjo said:

Deesee said:

Great first lap here from the much maligned Hartley.

Some of the corners resemble driving through a demolition derby.

8 places gained and the best sounding PU on the Grid?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cutting...

Super drive from him.

The McLaren being passed on both sides by Honda powered cars must've stung them a bit!

Breezed pass, 1st lap so no DRS just pure grunt
.

[Wills2]

Deesee said:

Great first lap here from the much maligned Hartley.

Some of the corners resemble driving through a demolition derby.

8 places gained and the best sounding PU on the Grid?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cutting...

Super drive from him.

Great piece of video, shows you what a rush it must be to be in the car coming up through the field, nice move down the inside past the McLaren as well.

Such a pity we don't get that view that often in the race as they are concentrating on the leaders.

[enjo]

Deesee said:

Breezed pass, 1st lap so no DRS just pure grunt
.

To be fair SV caught a massive bit of oversteer coming out of the corner but my point still stands!

[Kraken]

Paul 8v said:

Thanks, I'm sure it's been said before but it's a bit of a shame really. It means new people are less likely to just stumble across the sport by chance if it was on a channel everyone can get, watching the highlights is never quite the same, it's hard to avoid spoilers these days!

Fewer and fewer people watch traditional TV anyway so they're more likely to stumble across F1 on social media or F1 than scanning TV channels.

[Deesee]

enjo said:

Deesee said:

Breezed pass, 1st lap so no DRS just pure grunt
.

To be fair SV caught a massive bit of oversteer coming out of the corner but my point still stands!

Absolutely!

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Deesee said:

enjo said:

Deesee said:

Great first lap here from the much maligned Hartley.

Some of the corners resemble driving through a demolition derby.

8 places gained and the best sounding PU on the Grid?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cutting...

Super drive from him.

The McLaren being passed on both sides by Honda powered cars must've stung them a bit!

Breezed pass, 1st lap so no DRS just pure grunt
.

Ok I disagree 100%

Hartley drives the first sector like miss daisy. You could give him the benifit of the doubt and say he was letting others knock them selves out but if no one else crashed he’d have been last by at least a second by the end of sector 2.

The first McLaren gets shunted out the way and the second gets hit coming onto the back straight compromising his exit.

Hartley made up a lot of places that lap but if no one had crashed on the first lap he wouldn’t have been within a second of The man in second last. I know, you make your own luck and all that but I can’t help theinking he’s not cut out for F1.

[entropy]

rdjohn said:

If you listened to him on the Beyond the Grid podcast, he says that he plays the role that C4 have asked him to play - I would describe it as “the Machiavellian fool”. It’s just part of the entertainment. Conspiracy theories and wild speculation are what make up a huge amount of posts here on PH.

He said the producers encouraged him to say whatever was on his mind. A bit different to being to being asked to play a role which suggests he's putting it on for the sake of entertainment.

[Deesee]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Deesee said:

enjo said:

Deesee said:

Great first lap here from the much maligned Hartley.

Some of the corners resemble driving through a demolition derby.

8 places gained and the best sounding PU on the Grid?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cutting...

Super drive from him.

The McLaren being passed on both sides by Honda powered cars must've stung them a bit!

Breezed pass, 1st lap so no DRS just pure grunt
.

Ok I disagree 100%

Hartley drives the first sector like miss daisy. You could give him the benifit of the doubt and say he was letting others knock them selves out but if no one else crashed he’d have been last by at least a second by the end of sector 2.

The first McLaren gets shunted out the way and the second gets hit coming onto the back straight compromising his exit.

Hartley made up a lot of places that lap but if no one had crashed on the first lap he wouldn’t have been within a second of The man in second last. I know, you make your own luck and all that but I can’t help theinking he’s not cut out for F1.

The pass on the 'S's", Class...