Two tier Formula 1

Two tier Formula 1

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Eric Mc

121,895 posts

265 months

Monday 22nd October 2018
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StevieBee said:
McLaren would have won every race one year were it not for a Williams punting Senna off.

Ferrari dominated the early 00s.

Williams in the 90s.

Lotus in the 60s and 70's

The most diverse season of the modern era was 2012 when six different drivers / teams won the opening six races but other than that, it is has normally always been a case of a dominant few teams prevailing.

Although today the sport is dominated by a few, the gap between the first and last places is probably the shortest it has ever been. It was not that long ago that the tail enders would finish a race five or six or more laps behind.
Lotus won 3 out of 10 championships in the 1960s (1963, 65 and 68).

Lotus won 3 out of 10 championships in the 1970s (1970,72 and 78)

ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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StevieBee said:
McLaren would have won every race one year were it not for a Williams punting Senna off.

Ferrari dominated the early 00s.

Williams in the 90s.

Lotus in the 60s and 70's

The most diverse season of the modern era was 2012 when six different drivers / teams won the opening six races but other than that, it is has normally always been a case of a dominant few teams prevailing.
My point was more so that it feels like we've never been further away from a freak or inspired win outside of the dominant teams. I guess a combination of reliability and cautious wet weather procedures has all but killed that off.

In the early 2000s Ferrari may have been dominant with McLaren a firm second, but Williams, Jordan and Renault still picked up wins.

Even later on you had Jenson in the Honda, Kubica in the BMW and Vettel in the Toro Rosso picking up single wins. They are often the races that are remembered, everyone loves an underdog sporting fairy tale.

Yet, since the first race of 2013, so almost now 6 full seasons, we've not had a single freak result, with 3 teams taking every single victory.





StevieBee

12,847 posts

255 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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ukaskew said:
StevieBee said:
McLaren would have won every race one year were it not for a Williams punting Senna off.

Ferrari dominated the early 00s.

Williams in the 90s.

Lotus in the 60s and 70's

The most diverse season of the modern era was 2012 when six different drivers / teams won the opening six races but other than that, it is has normally always been a case of a dominant few teams prevailing.
My point was more so that it feels like we've never been further away from a freak or inspired win outside of the dominant teams. I guess a combination of reliability and cautious wet weather procedures has all but killed that off.

In the early 2000s Ferrari may have been dominant with McLaren a firm second, but Williams, Jordan and Renault still picked up wins.

Even later on you had Jenson in the Honda, Kubica in the BMW and Vettel in the Toro Rosso picking up single wins. They are often the races that are remembered, everyone loves an underdog sporting fairy tale.

Yet, since the first race of 2013, so almost now 6 full seasons, we've not had a single freak result, with 3 teams taking every single victory
And Panis at Monaco.

Yes, you are right. Comes down to improved engineering, build quality, design, race management even driver competencies.