The Official 2018 Mexican GP *** Spoilers***

The Official 2018 Mexican GP *** Spoilers***

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DanielSan

18,748 posts

166 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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Deesee said:
You’ve got to wonder if he would actually be up there.

Red Bull do a lot right, but take the media rose tinted lenses off and they do not finish enough races.
It makes his decision to go to Renault seem even more insane let's face it. There is a very real chance that the Red Bull Honda will be reliable next year and it seems like it's already got a bit more grunt than the Renault donkey.

I'm still going to be on Verstappen to win in Melbourne.

rscott

14,691 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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DanielSan said:
Deesee said:
You’ve got to wonder if he would actually be up there.

Red Bull do a lot right, but take the media rose tinted lenses off and they do not finish enough races.
It makes his decision to go to Renault seem even more insane let's face it. There is a very real chance that the Red Bull Honda will be reliable next year and it seems like it's already got a bit more grunt than the Renault donkey.

I'm still going to be on Verstappen to win in Melbourne.
Unless they sort the reliability, it'll need to be incredibly fast. It'll be starting on the back row every race!

Deesee

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8,331 posts

82 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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DanielSan said:
Deesee said:
You’ve got to wonder if he would actually be up there.

Red Bull do a lot right, but take the media rose tinted lenses off and they do not finish enough races.
It makes his decision to go to Renault seem even more insane let's face it. There is a very real chance that the Red Bull Honda will be reliable next year and it seems like it's already got a bit more grunt than the Renault donkey.

I'm still going to be on Verstappen to win in Melbourne.
Not so sure, Prost is not exactly hanging about for a pay day, Hamilton’s got Lauda, Dani’s now got Alain. The team has a purpose, big pay day for Dani, but now he’s got to beat his team mate & with the weight restrictions lifted for next yr Nico will be quick and very consistent.

If James Allison returns to enstone (tipped) the floor and suspension will be sorted within a season.

The Red Bull is not reliable with a Renault let alone a Honda, but at least the Honda will be built around the car.

If Renault and Seb Bull can get to the top table I’ll be a happy chappie.


DanielSan

18,748 posts

166 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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The Red Bull isn't reliable because they're running the engine spec that even Renault won't run in their own cars yet because they can't make it work... Given the shambles that's gone on with their hybrid system upgrade that still isn't fully up to speed after, what? 2 years, I'd be genuinely amazed if they suddenly get a new engine and hybrid unit in the car next year fully reliable and have a chassis that even closes the gap in any meaningful to the big 3 in any meaningful way.

I hope to god they manage it or Ricciardo will just be a wasted talent in a crap car. Red Bull have half the battle won with arguably the best chassis on the grid, but people are too happy to write Honda off on the last couple of years and ignore the progress they've made this season.

suffolk009

5,344 posts

164 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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Kimi, two in a row. Would be incredible.

Deesee

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8,331 posts

82 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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E-bmw

9,106 posts

151 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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For me the result would be:

1. Max
2. Lewis
3. Vettel

If I were a gambling man & I will probably be 100% wrong, which is why I am not a gambling man.

davidd

6,443 posts

283 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Deesee said:
Dani Ricc last 22 races


So how many are the Renault and how many are the fault of the installation?



anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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David Coulthard observation or stalking Vettel. biggrin

Sebastian Vettel has been spending more time with his former Red Bull colleagues than his current team Ferrari, according to David Coulthard.

The F1 pundit believes there could be a big problem with the German, who has not won a won title since leaving the Austrian side four years ago.

“He says he's tired - when you're tired you go for your comfort blanket. I've seen him around Red Bull more often in the last few races than at any other time that he's been at Ferrari,” Coulthard told Channel 4.

"So he's not knuckling down with his comfort blanket at Ferrari. To me it looks like he's not only tired of the recovery drives, he's just not as happy within the team as he was at Red Bull."

Deesee

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8,331 posts

82 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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davidd said:
Deesee said:
Dani Ricc last 22 races


So how many are the Renault and how many are the fault of the installation?
Who knows but if you look at the works team...

Sainz 0 failures Hulk 1 failure.

Renault replace there’s before it breaks, Red Bull after.


Red bull are also ‘recycling’ parts of the PU, perhaps they would be better buying new parts.

davidd

6,443 posts

283 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Gaz. said:
Renault have also told RBR (and Mclaren) that not enough thought to cooling is being considered and the packaging is not helpful.

Remember in Winter Testing 2014 when Mercedes, Williams and Force India all ran identical installations, with the bodywork removed you could only tell which car was which by mechanics shirts and garage furniture. Mclaren (thinking they knew more about an engine that they were only aware of in August 2013 than the manufacturer who had actually been designing and building the thing since 2010) ran a completely different cooling concept and had quite a few breakdowns.

Contrast this to the Renault stable in 2014, four wildly different ideas with people smirking at Caterham with their enormous sidepods, as they chalked up the laps while RBR were cutting holes in their bodywork... Lotus caught fire too.

Forward to 2018 and its no surprise the works Renault team have better reliability than their customers who each have ignored their suppliers advice repeatedly for five seasons.
This is sort of my point. It seems that RBR run the packaging on the very edge, as it would seem McLaren did with the honda.

I would say looking at the list of 22 races there are 2 engine and one ERS so that's Renault.. Electrics, clutch, hydraulics and exhaust are RBR. The others are not clear.

amgmcqueen

3,343 posts

149 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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I would like to see Vettel win and Hamilton have a DNF just so the championship can roll onto Brazil.

tobinen

9,184 posts

144 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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If it means live on CH4 then yes please!

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

126 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Stoked biggrin

Just a shame the championship victory, should it occur, will be marred by the absolutely awful Sky team. Childish wannabe comedians bickering among themselves is not how I would like the title winning weekend to be framed frown

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Gaz. said:
It’s likely to be pissing down for all three days.
Is it?

Piginapoke

4,737 posts

184 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Really finding it hard to care about this season now.


Deesee

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8,331 posts

82 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Merc not putting any filler on the holes this weekend then!


Stan the Bat

8,843 posts

211 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Which lap will Vettel do his signature cock-up on ?

MartG

20,626 posts

203 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
Which lap will Vettel do his signature cock-up on ?
He's getting more desperate each race, so I expect to see him lose it early during the first lap - especially if he has a grid penalty for cocking up during practice or qualy

cuprabob

14,422 posts

213 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
Which lap will Vettel do his signature cock-up on ?
He'll have an incident free race this weekend. He knows it's all over for this year.