The official Brazilian GP 2018 thread **spoilers**

[LDN]

tobinen said:

I just hope Ocon has a drive next year. It would be a shame if the potential for more needle is lost.

Ocon seems to be the only driver so far to set his stall out against Verstappen, though Hamilton showed him some manners in China before, can't recall the year.

I hope Ocon replaces Bottas at some stage. It would make sense. We’d see Ocon in a Merc against Max in an RB.

[Deesee]

LDN said:

tobinen said:

I just hope Ocon has a drive next year. It would be a shame if the potential for more needle is lost.

Ocon seems to be the only driver so far to set his stall out against Verstappen, though Hamilton showed him some manners in China before, can't recall the year.

I hope Ocon replaces Bottas at some stage. It would make sense. We’d see Ocon in a Merc against Max in an RB.

No love lost between these two, they had a tight battle in F3, when Ocon beat Verstappen to the title.

[Vaud]

heebeegeetee said:

That's not a fair appraisal at all. As much as I think Verstappen was idiotic, he was in a genuine battle with Lewis Hamilton for the race win, and possibly didn't want to lose any time at all. Meantime, the other guy is in 16th place.

Both were racing. Both are great racers. I think both made a mistake in this case.

Max could have told his team to tell FI where he was going to let Ocon past. Pit walls are allowed to talk to each other.
Ocon was entitled to unlap himself and was very quick.

[The Moose]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

The Moose said:

Deesee said:

Blink982 said:

The onboard footage of the barrier collapsing under the weight of celebrating Merc mechanics from Max's car is priceless.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqISuYqBOb_/?hl=en

I like these bits that Liberty Media put out. Makes it much better for the fans

Have you watched Hamilton’s team debrief? I personally found it very inspiring, something Hamilton rarely lets skip to the wider world.

I have seen something. Which did you have in mind? Link?

[NRS]

heebeegeetee said:

jm doc said:

He was not a backmarker being lapped, he had been passed whilst in the pits getting fresh tyres and came out to continue his race before being taken out for having the temerity to try to pass someone cruising around trying to conserve their tyres and engine and massaging their ego.

That's not a fair appraisal at all. As much as I think Verstappen was idiotic, he was in a genuine battle with Lewis Hamilton for the race win, and possibly didn't want to lose any time at all. Meantime, the other guy is in 16th place.

To describe Verstappen as "cruising" is ridiculous, imo.

He had already beaten Hamilton. Was a good bit ahead, and was on much newer tyres in a car that had better tyre wear. I actually found it a bit boring as it was obvious Max was getting the win very early on as the RB was so much faster than the others and with better wear. Was a bit of a shock when I think Crofty went mad and I look up to see Max spun round.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

The Moose said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

The Moose said:

Deesee said:

Blink982 said:

The onboard footage of the barrier collapsing under the weight of celebrating Merc mechanics from Max's car is priceless.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqISuYqBOb_/?hl=en

I like these bits that Liberty Media put out. Makes it much better for the fans

Have you watched Hamilton’s team debrief? I personally found it very inspiring, something Hamilton rarely lets skip to the wider world.

I have seen something. Which did you have in mind? Link?

https://youtu.be/5VQqZWeD3MA

[Exige77]

https://youtu.be/5VQqZWeD3MA

[andburg]

i love the way this has polarised opinions I'm summarising very loosely based on what I've read and heard

Drivers - Ocon was an idiot, he should not unlap himself if it means he gets in the way of the leader
Fans - Verstappen was an idiot, he knew ocon was there and turned into the apex anyway

most fans I've spoken to think Ocon had earned the space by getting alongside, it doesn't matter whether it was for position or not an overtake is an overtake.

[Derek Smith]

heebeegeetee said:

That's not a fair appraisal at all. As much as I think Verstappen was idiotic, he was in a genuine battle with Lewis Hamilton for the race win, and possibly didn't want to lose any time at all. Meantime, the other guy is in 16th place.

To describe Verstappen as "cruising" is ridiculous, imo.

Verstappen was aware of Hamilton's problems. He was, according to him, looking after his tyres. In other words the wick was turned down. He would pace himself to Hamilton.

Or another way of putting it is cruising.

[Vaud]

andburg said:

i love the way this has polarised opinions I'm summarising very loosely based on what I've read and heard

Drivers - Ocon was an idiot, he should not unlap himself if it means he gets in the way of the leader
Fans - Verstappen was an idiot, he knew ocon was there and turned into the apex anyway

most fans I've spoken to think Ocon had earned the space by getting alongside, it doesn't matter whether it was for position or not an overtake is an overtake.

There is always a middle ground that both made errors of judgement.

[Rumblestripe]

Vaud said:

andburg said:

i love the way this has polarised opinions I'm summarising very loosely based on what I've read and heard

Drivers - Ocon was an idiot, he should not unlap himself if it means he gets in the way of the leader
Fans - Verstappen was an idiot, he knew ocon was there and turned into the apex anyway

most fans I've spoken to think Ocon had earned the space by getting alongside, it doesn't matter whether it was for position or not an overtake is an overtake.

There is always a middle ground that both made errors of judgement.

I think that's actually what most people have been saying it's just that a lot of the noise was that it was all Ocon's fault. Max carries a share of the blame but the precious little darling can't see it. Blinkers.

[Deesee]

What happens when Dani Ric takes the Mercedes instagram/twitter phone...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqKeNXJBPPP/?hl=en

[HustleRussell]

andburg said:

Drivers - Ocon was an idiot, he should not unlap himself if it means he gets in the way of the leader

So do you have quotes to substantiate that or are you talking for F1 drivers now?

[angrymoby]

andburg said:

i love the way this has polarised opinions I'm summarising very loosely based on what I've read and heard

Drivers - Ocon was an idiot, he should not unlap himself if it means he gets in the way of the leader
Fans - Verstappen was an idiot, he knew ocon was there and turned into the apex anyway

most fans I've spoken to think Ocon had earned the space by getting alongside, it doesn't matter whether it was for position or not an overtake is an overtake.

& more footage & build up to THAT incident

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2018/11/Ride_onb...

i was pretty much 50/50 until seeing that ...but feel the penalty given to Ocon was extremely harsh now

[jm doc]

Derek Smith said:

heebeegeetee said:

That's not a fair appraisal at all. As much as I think Verstappen was idiotic, he was in a genuine battle with Lewis Hamilton for the race win, and possibly didn't want to lose any time at all. Meantime, the other guy is in 16th place.

To describe Verstappen as "cruising" is ridiculous, imo.

Verstappen was aware of Hamilton's problems. He was, according to him, looking after his tyres. In other words the wick was turned down. He would pace himself to Hamilton.

Or another way of putting it is cruising.

Thank you Derek. In F1 terms he most definitely was "cruising"

[Rumblestripe]

angrymoby said:

& more footage & build up to THAT incident

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2018/11/Ride_onb...

i was pretty much 50/50 until seeing that ...but feel the penalty given to Ocon was extremely harsh now

Watching that, I'd like to sit Max down in front of that and ask him to talk through his thoughts. Because he knows Ocon is faster than him even if only for a few laps and ask why the fukk is he "racing" him?

I think the penalty is meaningless in context because regardless of the ten second stop-go, Max took the bigger penalty by dropping a step on the podium and until he realises that he was just as much to blame as Ocon he will win nothing (including friends)

[anonymous-user]

jm doc said:

Derek Smith said:

heebeegeetee said:

That's not a fair appraisal at all. As much as I think Verstappen was idiotic, he was in a genuine battle with Lewis Hamilton for the race win, and possibly didn't want to lose any time at all. Meantime, the other guy is in 16th place.

To describe Verstappen as "cruising" is ridiculous, imo.

Verstappen was aware of Hamilton's problems. He was, according to him, looking after his tyres. In other words the wick was turned down. He would pace himself to Hamilton.

Or another way of putting it is cruising.

Thank you Derek. In F1 terms he most definitely was "cruising"

In F1 terms, most of them are.

[PhillipM]

angrymoby said:

& more footage & build up to THAT incident

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2018/11/Ride_onb...

i was pretty much 50/50 until seeing that ...but feel the penalty given to Ocon was extremely harsh now

Yep, FI should have protested it, completely his own fault tbfh.

[Teddy Lop]

Vaud said:

There is always a middle ground that both made errors of judgement.

Maybe, too many people that know more than me have laid the blame on Ocon so I have to concede it was at the least a hard move. A "no choice, let me by or we crash" move.

Met with a hard defence and a crash. That max chose such an aggressive defence demonstrates his intent that under no circumstances would Ocon pass him. Thus it must follow a very assertive move to put it on the line was ocons only chance to get by, and to put ALL the blame on Ocon for the coming together undermines the concept that you should be allowed to unlap yourself. Which is fine for those who wish to believe that, but just state it, don't disguise it with this murky "different statuses" of leader v unlapper crap because as soon as you assign such different statuses where one is deemed inherently more-at-fault you're as good as handing that place to the lead status holder and banning unlapping by default IMO.

[heebeegeetee]

I still haven't seen an explanation of why Max took the inside, defensive line approaching turn one. I don't get that, why not stick to the normal line and let Ocon past?