The official Brazilian GP 2018 thread **spoilers**

[Deesee]

iandc said:

RichB said:

Watching while listening to the radio exchanges is quite revealing.

Excellent footage! So different to the normal TV angles. They make it look comparatively easy yet when you see the onboard footage it shows just how these guys earn their money. So much to focus on and then radio messages to cope with. My brain hurt just being a "passenger" during that footage.

If you like that style of broadcast watch on sky race control, I like the option of FOM feed (no commentary), with two on boards and team radio.

[iandc]

Deesee said:

If you like that style of broadcast watch on sky race control, I like the option of FOM feed (no commentary), with two on boards and team radio.

never tried it so thanks for the info. will watch for the Abu Dhabi GP.

[cgt2]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Different subject but this was at a charity event last night.

The package is worth £30,000 according to the event organisers and it struggled to get £5,000.

Still a lot of money but.........

Wow! How is this for an auction prize at tomorrows Touch of Tartan Ball...?! Monaco Grand Prix 2019 Package - Generously donated by Senate Grand Prix.

VIP hospitality over three days at the Monaco Grand Prix 2019 for you and a guest. Package includes;

Friday, 24th May 2019.
Drinks with F1 Legends

Saturday, 25th May 2019, Fairmont VIP Suite.
Watch the Grand Prix Qualifying in the VIP suite with views over the famous Fairmont Hairpin Corner.

Sunday, 26th May 2019, Caffe Milano.
Watch the race from Caffe Milano located at Tabac Corner in the Port of Monaco – exciting viewing as the cars race directly towards you from the Yacht club down the high speed straight towards Tabac Corner.

Who says it's worth £30k..??

When it used to be Loews I did the same hotel several years in a row. Obviously a great view but not worth any more than £1000. I used to get my whole trip in (including stay at the Loews) under £1000 in the early 2000's. Although I was helped by knowing someone who could get me a great price for the hotel booking a year in advance.

[anonymous-user]

cgt2 said:

Who says it's worth £30k..??

When it used to be Loews I did the same hotel several years in a row. Obviously a great view but not worth any more than £1000. I used to get my whole trip in (including stay at the Loews) under £1000 in the early 2000's. Although I was helped by knowing someone who could get me a great price for the hotel booking a year in advance.

I wasn't at the event but it was announced before bidding took place.

[Stan the Bat]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

E34-3.2 said:

Superb, thank you.

More I look at Verstapen Ocon incident, more my feeling is that Verstapen is the one making the mistake.

True dis.

[48Valves]

Teddy Lop said:

swisstoni said:

I think everyone has a sell by date as a pundit.
In sport, for me, you have to have competed at that level within the last 20 years. In F1 perhaps even less.
Otherwise you simply can't describe it as well as someone closer to it. (eg. when was the last time Alan Shearer went near a football?).
I always prefer to hear from the likes of Webber, Chandok, Di Resta etc than Herbert, Hill, Brundle and even Coulthard when it comes down to details.

Brundle will always be one of the best there's ever been at it and perhaps he'd be used better by replacing Hill or Herbert as an 'elder statesman' type.

thats a good point, a key difference is football doesn't change much but the F1 cars, teams and tactics are vastly different to 20 years ago, Brundle might do better as a lead commentator with someone as you mention with more recent experience to do colour commentary and analysis. Although, and I say this with a huge amount of respect for brundle but I do wonder (particularly with his holidays) of both his heart and his health, and whether he's the right person to be the lynch pin of sky's coverage.

Football has changed a massive amount in 20 years.

[Derek Smith]

48Valves said:

Teddy Lop said:

swisstoni said:

I think everyone has a sell by date as a pundit.
In sport, for me, you have to have competed at that level within the last 20 years. In F1 perhaps even less.
Otherwise you simply can't describe it as well as someone closer to it. (eg. when was the last time Alan Shearer went near a football?).
I always prefer to hear from the likes of Webber, Chandok, Di Resta etc than Herbert, Hill, Brundle and even Coulthard when it comes down to details.

Brundle will always be one of the best there's ever been at it and perhaps he'd be used better by replacing Hill or Herbert as an 'elder statesman' type.

thats a good point, a key difference is football doesn't change much but the F1 cars, teams and tactics are vastly different to 20 years ago, Brundle might do better as a lead commentator with someone as you mention with more recent experience to do colour commentary and analysis. Although, and I say this with a huge amount of respect for brundle but I do wonder (particularly with his holidays) of both his heart and his health, and whether he's the right person to be the lynch pin of sky's coverage.

Football has changed a massive amount in 20 years.

I had the [joy] of listening to the England rugby match on Sky. I've had BT Sport's coverage for three or four years, with the occasional bit of internationals on terrestrial. Boy, was it an effort to watch.

A pundit is past his/her sellby date when you can predict their actual words regarding an incident.

[Exige77]

Stan the Bat said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

E34-3.2 said:

Superb, thank you.

More I look at Verstapen Ocon incident, more my feeling is that Verstapen is the one making the mistake.

True dis.

Same here, seen it many times now.

He’s leading the race, why would he get involved with a faster back marker ?

Just crazy. He was lucky to keep second.

[HardtopManual]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

The package is worth £30,000 according to the event organisers and it struggled to get £5,000.

I doubt that anyone paid £30k for that package. Year before last, I was offered three days on a boat in Monaco harbour, gourmet food, champagne on tap, top driver meet-ups, for £2k (was supposed to have been ten). Unfortunately already had other plans...

[_Leg_]

jsf said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Different subject but this was at a charity event last night.

The package is worth £30,000 according to the event organisers and it struggled to get £5,000.

Still a lot of money but.........

Wow! How is this for an auction prize at tomorrows Touch of Tartan Ball...?! Monaco Grand Prix 2019 Package - Generously donated by Senate Grand Prix.

VIP hospitality over three days at the Monaco Grand Prix 2019 for you and a guest. Package includes;

Friday, 24th May 2019.
Drinks with F1 Legends

Saturday, 25th May 2019, Fairmont VIP Suite.
Watch the Grand Prix Qualifying in the VIP suite with views over the famous Fairmont Hairpin Corner.

Sunday, 26th May 2019, Caffe Milano.
Watch the race from Caffe Milano located at Tabac Corner in the Port of Monaco – exciting viewing as the cars race directly towards you from the Yacht club down the high speed straight towards Tabac Corner.

What a waste of money.

Yup.

Sit on fold out chairs alongside pit crew for entire weekend and make tea. £5000. I'm in.

[Jasandjules]

HardtopManual said:

I doubt that anyone paid £30k for that package. Year before last, I was offered three days on a boat in Monaco harbour, gourmet food, champagne on tap, top driver meet-ups, for £2k (was supposed to have been ten). Unfortunately already had other plans...

That sounds like a bit of a bargain?!!?

[sparta6]

48Valves said:

Football has changed a massive amount in 20 years.

Agree.
Wenger changed the modern game, and others have followed

[A205GTI]

If you look every pass vercrashen made before the ocon incident they gave him room as they did not want to risk him driving into them. Ocon decided he was faster, I really struggle to understand how it was ocons fault as crashstappen drove straight across him, I wonder if the stewards would have seen it differently if he was not in the lead?

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

A205GTI said:

If you look every pass vercrashen made before the ocon incident they gave him room as they did not want to risk him driving into them. Ocon decided he was faster, I really struggle to understand how it was ocons fault as crashstappen drove straight across him, I wonder if the stewards would have seen it differently if he was not in the lead?

This lead to the decision, he was in a lead and Ocon wanted to race him. If they were fighting for position it would have been Max's fault 100%

[48Valves]

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

A205GTI said:

If you look every pass vercrashen made before the ocon incident they gave him room as they did not want to risk him driving into them. Ocon decided he was faster, I really struggle to understand how it was ocons fault as crashstappen drove straight across him, I wonder if the stewards would have seen it differently if he was not in the lead?

This lead to the decision, he was in a lead and Ocon wanted to race him. If they were fighting for position it would have been Max's fault 100%

No. Max wanted to Race Ocon.

Max was slower and should have just let Ocon past. There was no need for him to get involved.

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

48Valves said:

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

A205GTI said:

If you look every pass vercrashen made before the ocon incident they gave him room as they did not want to risk him driving into them. Ocon decided he was faster, I really struggle to understand how it was ocons fault as crashstappen drove straight across him, I wonder if the stewards would have seen it differently if he was not in the lead?

This lead to the decision, he was in a lead and Ocon wanted to race him. If they were fighting for position it would have been Max's fault 100%

No. Max wanted to Race Ocon.

Max was slower and should have just let Ocon past. There was no need for him to get involved.

Oh, I didn't realise leaders have to yield to backmarkers trying to unlap themselves.

[sparta6]

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

Oh, I didn't realise leaders have to yield to backmarkers trying to unlap themselves.

Yes, the race leader should always yield so his race can be compromised once the back marker's new tyres lose their speed advantage.

Is it not in the FIA rulebook yet ?

[kambites]

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

Oh, I didn't realise leaders have to yield to backmarkers trying to unlap themselves.

They are obviously not obliged to pull over, but common sense dictates that trying to keep a faster car with whom you are not actually racing behind you is likely to result in going slower than just letting them past... and even if you're not actually going to let them past, ramming them off the road probably isn't the cleverest of plans.

Whether Ocon's attempt to get past was legitimate or not, what Verstappen did was just plain stupid because he had so much to lose.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 18th November 21:47

[HighwayStar]

sparta6 said:

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

Oh, I didn't realise leaders have to yield to backmarkers trying to unlap themselves.

Yes, the race leader should always yield so his race can be compromised once the back marker's new tyres lose their speed advantage.

Is it not in the FIA rulebook yet ?

It’s not common that the leader is holding up a faster back marker. Max wasn’t in any danger of being caught by Lewis. He ‘had’ everything under control, engine dialled back a few notches and looking after his tires. Cruising to a well earned victory.
Max knew Ocon was there.... he could’ve/should’ve simply let him past. Whether Ocon shouldn’t have attacked or not is irrelevant in the live situation. That fact was, Ocon was there. Max stays wide on turn 2, Ocon disappears up the road. Max wins the race, we all say that’s two great wins on the bounce, he’s got his shot together, starting to get it blah blah... I doubt Ocon would even have been mentioned.
Instead he decides to race a guy who is not threat to his win, not even a spot on the podium. Not even the points. Max played his part in not winning.
Lewis was spot on... he had more to lose and he did. Max is a great driver but he bhes and moans when he should be thinking more.
Max’s race would not have been comprised by letting Ocon through.
You’re more intelligent than that... if Ocons tyres had gone off to that extent then he’d have been blue flagged and Max would be once more ahead of him....
And NO! Lewis was never close enough to pass Ocon under blue flags!!!

[HardtopManual]

sparta6 said:

Yes, the race leader should always yield so his race can be compromised once the back marker's new tyres lose their speed advantage.

Is it not in the FIA rulebook yet ?

Wouldn't have compromise MV at all as Ocon would have got blue flags in that situation.