Vote here to stop insanity of new graphics next year

[JonChalk]

https://aws.amazon.com/it/f1insights/

Especially the lunatic "chance of overtake" b*llocks. I mean; WTF are Liberty doing?

[AWRacing]

JonChalk said:

I mean; WTF are Liberty doing?

Trying new things
Trying to entice the casual viewer to watch
Trying to engage with the casual viewer

I dont see what all the fuss is really. I’ve been watching since the early 90’s and some of these new graphics are a pleasant change from the stuffy out of date graphics they’ve replaced.

[JonChalk]

Have you seen the "chance of overtake" one?
It's the equivalent of being told what's clearly on the screen. It adds zero information even to a new viewer, and more importantly, it denies them the opportunity to view the images and have an opinion based in their own learning.
Now a fake AI (fk me that's an annoying, inaccurate term) will tell you that overtake was 67% possible, mean it will now be "fact".

[AWRacing]

Granted the ‘chance of overtake’ graphic crap. Quite like the other graphics though

[JonChalk]

AWRacing said:

Granted the ‘chance of overtake’ graphic crap. Quite like the other graphics though

Thing is they are all derived and inferred, but presented as hard facts, and as though real time data from the cars, which people know is available, and will therefore assume to have the same status.

Edited by JonChalk on Saturday 1st December 19:50

[carl_w]

I quite like all of them. Overtake probability the least, I guess.

[thegreenhell]

What's the point of watching if they're going to tell us what's likely to happen next? Are there any other sports that have to put up with this st?

[RogerExplosion]

As long as there are no stupid noises like the fastest lap bks that constantly pisses me off during the race.
Most races I watch sat up in bed (Aus) with headphones as not to bother the other half. The fastest lap noise is terrible.

[Deesee]

The video of the Ross Brawn presentation of this on this thread..

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Have no issue with anything being proposed TBH.

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

I just watched the videos and it's not bad at all.

[London424]

thegreenhell said:

What's the point of watching if they're going to tell us what's likely to happen next? Are there any other sports that have to put up with this st?

Do you not watch other sports? Plenty of analytics knocking around.

[glazbagun]

London424 said:

thegreenhell said:

What's the point of watching if they're going to tell us what's likely to happen next? Are there any other sports that have to put up with this st?

Do you not watch other sports? Plenty of analytics knocking around.

Gives people something to bet on in real time. If someone else has crunched the numbers it makes it easier for bookies to set the odds and pointing it out to the punter makes them more likely to put a fiver on it in the heat of the moment.

Gambling in sport seems massive compared to 20 years ago, another way that smartphones have blighted/enhanced our lives.

[JonChalk]

London424 said:

Do you not watch other sports? Plenty of analytics knocking around.

True, but this isn't analysis.

There's a difference between this and say;

a) time spent in opponents 22 in rugby,
b) statistical win / loss records, batting averages,
c) distance run by a player in a football match.

Those are real measures and genuine, inarguable data to assist the (deluded) masses who think / are told sport is "improved" by instant betting and, more importantly, to the interested fan who just likes data about their sport.

This "insight" stuff is not based on real live data from the teams (if so, my problems with it would be severely lessened) - are the teams really going to provide real live tyre temperatures out to the rest of the world? And how the hell can there be real live "measure" of tyre wear during the race. The more I think about it, the car "performance" one annoys the crap out of me as much as the overtake one.

[Deesee]

JonChalk said:

This "insight" stuff is not based on real live data from the teams (if so, my problems with it would be severely lessened) - are the teams really going to provide real live tyre temperatures out to the rest of the world? And how the hell can there be real live "measure" of tyre wear during the race. The more I think about it, the car "performance" one annoys the crap out of me as much as the overtake one.

I think you need to look at at link I provided earlier in the thread, I’ll provide it again watch from 1.39.00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOIkOnW640A&feat...

Or this seems appropriate

[JonChalk]

Deesee said:

I think you need to look at at link I provided earlier in the thread, I’ll provide it again watch from 1.39.00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOIkOnW640A&feat...

Or this seems appropriate

Thanks DeeSee, seen it before several times.

Ok - give up - you're all right - it's fantastic, doesn't demean the sport in anyway, is an absolutely true, live representation of facts.

This season hasn't needed any of that to make it interesting - it needed tension between Merc and Ferrari - it needed tension between Verstappen and everyone else - it needed Horner's constant bullst.

Not silly graphics.

Ignore the fact Brawn is incredibly careful with his words in that speech - I mean, lots of things are implied, but not stated.

1. There are data points.
2. We use machine learning.
(implication=) Therefore graphics are representations of data points (never actually said), and therefore facts.

I am immensely disappointed they have chosen to waste their efforts on pointless graphics instead of spending the same money making the actual racing interesting. Which would render the graphics pointless, again.

[JonChalk]

Deesee said:

Or this seems appropriate

..also - that actually made me laugh at myself, as I realise that F1 / Liberty will do whatever they want regardless.

Still, it's my time and my pixels ;-)

[Deesee]

JonChalk said:

Deesee said:

I think you need to look at at link I provided earlier in the thread, I’ll provide it again watch from 1.39.00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOIkOnW640A&feat...

Or this seems appropriate

Thanks DeeSee, seen it before several times.

Ok - give up - you're all right - it's fantastic, doesn't demean the sport in anyway, is an absolutely true, live representation of facts.

This season hasn't needed any of that to make it interesting - it needed tension between Merc and Ferrari - it needed tension between Verstappen and everyone else - it needed Horner's constant bullst.

Not silly graphics.

Ignore the fact Brawn is incredibly careful with his words in that speech - I mean, lots of things are implied, but not stated.

1. There are data points.
2. We use machine learning.
(implication=) Therefore graphics are representations of data points (never actually said), and therefore facts.

I am immensely disappointed they have chosen to waste their efforts on pointless graphics instead of spending the same money making the actual racing interesting. Which would render the graphics pointless, again.

Is it right? Only time will tell, as Ross points out 1.1 million data points per car per second, if they can use this information against multiple cars and make it easier for people to follow the race then why not.

I like F1 to the stage where I can watch the race on race control on the FOM feed with no commentary and have a good understanding of what’s going on, but I pay attention to the team radio, live timing, and pit windows.

Small snapshots showing degraded tyres, corner speeds, pit windows, I can’t see a problem with if it helps people engage with the race.

We have live timing, now potentially live telematics.

TBH, if a company like Amazon come along, sponsor content and provide live information I’d have thought it would be hard for F1 to turn down.

& can’t wait for Hamilton and Verstappen to break the overtake predictor!!

[Deesee]

JonChalk said:

Deesee said:

Or this seems appropriate

..also - that actually made me laugh at myself, as I realise that F1 / Liberty will do whatever they want regardless.

Still, it's my time and my pixels ;-)

another Simpsons prediction 20yrs from the past, people yelling at clouds!!

[Teddy Lop]

Anything that reminds the director we're here to see cars racing each other, instead of tedious long shots of various WAGs and vapid celebs or art student project moody cutaways, has to be a good thing IMO.

[Graveworm]

JonChalk said:

True, but this isn't analysis.

There's a difference between this and say;

a) time spent in opponents 22 in rugby,
b) statistical win / loss records, batting averages,
c) distance run by a player in a football match.

Those are real measures and genuine, inarguable data to assist the (deluded) masses who think / are told sport is "improved" by instant betting and, more importantly, to the interested fan who just likes data about their sport.

This "insight" stuff is not based on real live data from the teams (if so, my problems with it would be severely lessened) - are the teams really going to provide real live tyre temperatures out to the rest of the world? And how the hell can there be real live "measure" of tyre wear during the race. The more I think about it, the car "performance" one annoys the crap out of me as much as the overtake one.

It is based on real live data. Machine learning will make it more and more accurate as time goes on. I don't know if it will make it better to watch but I am glad they are trying new things.