Mansell's FW14B 'Red Five' to be auctioned

Mansell's FW14B 'Red Five' to be auctioned

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thegreenhell

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5,008 posts

157 months

Wednesday 6th February
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https://www.bonhams.com/press_release/27543/

If the cockpit is Mansell-sized then there's a chance that I might fit too, unlike most F1 cars of this era!

Any idea who the seller is? I assumed it would still be with Williams, but the blurb says one private owner after Williams.

sgtBerbatov

883 posts

19 months

Wednesday 6th February
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thegreenhell said:
https://www.bonhams.com/press_release/27543/

If the cockpit is Mansell-sized then there's a chance that I might fit too, unlike most F1 cars of this era!

Any idea who the seller is? I assumed it would still be with Williams, but the blurb says one private owner after Williams.
Is there a possibility that this is one of the cars from Wheatcroft's collection?

Megaflow

6,637 posts

163 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Anybody else blown away by a) Williams ever sold it, and b) they only expect to get £3m?

Munter

28,256 posts

179 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Megaflow said:
Anybody else blown away by a) Williams ever sold it, and b) they only expect to get £3m?
What's more use to Williams. A physical manifestation of nostalgia, or a bundle of cash?

I wouldn't pay £3m for an old F1 car ever. I'd spend that cash having a lot more fun in a car I could actually drive occasionally/going racing. But then that's all a moot point anyway as I don't have the cash.

AllyBassman

463 posts

50 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Munter said:
What's more use to Williams. A physical manifestation of nostalgia, or a bundle of cash?

I wouldn't pay £3m for an old F1 car ever. I'd spend that cash having a lot more fun in a car I could actually drive occasionally/going racing. But then that's all a moot point anyway as I don't have the cash.
If you have that sort of cash, you have enough to have this a statement piece in your collection and numerous other to have fun in.

I personally would love to own one of MS Championship winning Ferrari's - just to have the kudos of owning one. At 6ft 5 - I'm never fitting into one of them!
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Bradgate

2,048 posts

85 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Perhaps the vendor is a Mr Mansell?

thegreenhell

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5,008 posts

157 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Bradgate said:
Perhaps the vendor is a Mr Mansell?
That's far too logical...

Fresh from the recently-closed Mansell Collection in Jersey?


Car-Matt

1,562 posts

76 months

Thursday 7th February
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This car is in fully working driveable condition. Its not the only one in existence, there are at least 3 others.

For those thinking Nigel was a bit of a porker he was a third dan blackbelt during his time in F1 and for 1992 weighed in less than (not a well known porker) Riccardo Patrese

I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

D-Angle

4,357 posts

180 months

Thursday 7th February
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Car-Matt said:
I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Me too. This is the era of F1 I grew up with and it's still the best looking F1 car to my eyes. This will go for a lot more than £3m.

rossub

2,014 posts

128 months

Thursday 7th February
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D-Angle said:
Me too. This is the era of F1 I grew up with and it's still the best looking F1 car to my eyes. This will go for a lot more than £3m.
Exactly what I came on to say. This and the McLaren of the same era are definitely the best looking F1 cars ever. No silly appendages all over the place.

CarHabit

28 posts

31 months

Thursday 7th February
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Slightly off topic, but...

I’m reading Adrian Newey’s book at the moment (how to build a car). I’ve not watched F1 for years as I’ve got more interest in paint drying and listening to nails being scraped down blackboards. However, his book recalls the halcyon days of the mid-1990s F1 with all its heavyweight names and track battles we no longer have today

Adrian’s influence on this very car’s design, and others, is of genuine interest to the petrolhead and I thoroughly recommend it, given if you’ve given up on F1 in recent years

coffee

steveb8189

197 posts

129 months

Thursday 7th February
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CarHabit said:
I’ve not watched F1 for years as I’ve got more interest in paint drying and listening to nails being scraped down blackboards. However, his book recalls the halcyon days of the mid-1990s F1 with all its heavyweight names and track battles we no longer have today
How do you know if you no longer watch it? Whilst I disagree with the use of DRS it has brought back a lot of the competitive racing.

Car-Matt

1,562 posts

76 months

Thursday 7th February
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CarHabit said:
Slightly off topic, but...

Man who doest watch current sport opines about the spectacle of the current sport

coffee
Interesting.......about as relevant as me trying to advise Musk on the technical details of his next space rocket.

wab172uk

1,170 posts

165 months

Thursday 7th February
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Awesome car to add to some very very rich mans car collection.

If you want to drive it on track, do you get the Williams support team? Otherwise it's just going to be a very nice static masterpiece to your collection

cookie1600

1,066 posts

99 months

Thursday 7th February
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Chassis #10 was for sale a while ago, but was apparently not maintained as a runner (no engine?):

http://www.carsinternational.com/williams-heritage...

I don't know which chassis number Williams Heritage owns, but there's a lovely video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?=1&v=dbmUweOy0G8

Dblue

2,884 posts

138 months

Thursday 7th February
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My favourite ever car in F1 - Looked and sounded superb and of course utterly dominant. Couple of races where the Williams lapped the field that year IIRC.

Gandahar

6,140 posts

66 months

Thursday 7th February
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Of 80's and 90's cars this has to be up there for F1 prices.

Top price would be, for me if I had a big wallet, the 2004 Ferrari. So fast .


La Liga

12,268 posts

94 months

Thursday 7th February
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Stunning car from a stunning era.

What a fantastic prospect to own.

JoeDix

10 posts

66 months

Thursday 7th February
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I was fortunate enough to work on the restoration of this particular car, and would consider it a bargain at twice the price as I am incredibly biased.

On a related note, valuing cars of this nature is a notorious dark art - not least because they tend to pass from owner to owner in a dismantled form, getting re-assembled by "mechanics" from a range of skillsets and backgrounds. I recently went to assess a Jaguar R5 which was described as being in complete condition.... which it was, as a result of a number of Jaguar R4 bits (including the steering wheel!).

But this example is perfect in every way - retired from competition into Williams Heritage storage facility, brought back to life under the supervision of people like Paddy Lowe, test driven by Karun Chandhok and then supported at events by the current Williams F1 crew. Literally, what more could you ask for?

steve2

1,346 posts

156 months

Thursday 7th February
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Joe, more posts from you regarding the restoration would be nice, 2 posts in 66 months !!