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Fortitude said:
Jacques Villeneuve, controversial as ever…
Williams ‘no longer a racing team’ – Villeneuve
• Andrew Maitland
• April 15, 2019
Williams’ problems can be traced back to the decision to float on the stock exchange.
That is the view of Jacques Villeneuve, who in 1997 won the once-great team’s last world championship.
“Its leaders are paying for the bad decisions made in recent years,” he told Le Journal de Montreal.
https://grandpx.news/williams-no-longer-a-racing-t...
BUT, these ‘cutting comments’, most probably will mean that Jacques Villeneuve’s picture on the wall at Grove, becomes a dart board…
“It’s a public entity that must report at the end of the year, and all they have to do is make a profit, which they have done. So they are fine,” the French Canadian added.
“But if the company made $16 million in 2018, it is because not enough was spent on the racing team. The president does not want to win in F1, he just wants to make sure he makes the most for the shareholders.
“That’s all that matters now,” Villeneuve alleged.
Thing is, were Williams ever a racing team?Williams ‘no longer a racing team’ – Villeneuve
• Andrew Maitland
• April 15, 2019
Williams’ problems can be traced back to the decision to float on the stock exchange.
That is the view of Jacques Villeneuve, who in 1997 won the once-great team’s last world championship.
“Its leaders are paying for the bad decisions made in recent years,” he told Le Journal de Montreal.
https://grandpx.news/williams-no-longer-a-racing-t...
BUT, these ‘cutting comments’, most probably will mean that Jacques Villeneuve’s picture on the wall at Grove, becomes a dart board…
“It’s a public entity that must report at the end of the year, and all they have to do is make a profit, which they have done. So they are fine,” the French Canadian added.
“But if the company made $16 million in 2018, it is because not enough was spent on the racing team. The president does not want to win in F1, he just wants to make sure he makes the most for the shareholders.
“That’s all that matters now,” Villeneuve alleged.
I can't remember who said it, as it was on a documentary, but they said that most of the other racing teams go to race. Williams are an engineering team that go racing.
But I'd also think that Villeneuve's face has long since been used a dart board before now.
sgtBerbatov said:
Fortitude said:
Jacques Villeneuve, controversial as ever…
Williams ‘no longer a racing team’ – Villeneuve
• Andrew Maitland
• April 15, 2019
Williams’ problems can be traced back to the decision to float on the stock exchange.
That is the view of Jacques Villeneuve, who in 1997 won the once-great team’s last world championship.
“Its leaders are paying for the bad decisions made in recent years,” he told Le Journal de Montreal.
https://grandpx.news/williams-no-longer-a-racing-t...
BUT, these ‘cutting comments’, most probably will mean that Jacques Villeneuve’s picture on the wall at Grove, becomes a dart board…
“It’s a public entity that must report at the end of the year, and all they have to do is make a profit, which they have done. So they are fine,” the French Canadian added.
“But if the company made $16 million in 2018, it is because not enough was spent on the racing team. The president does not want to win in F1, he just wants to make sure he makes the most for the shareholders.
“That’s all that matters now,” Villeneuve alleged.
Thing is, were Williams ever a racing team?Williams ‘no longer a racing team’ – Villeneuve
• Andrew Maitland
• April 15, 2019
Williams’ problems can be traced back to the decision to float on the stock exchange.
That is the view of Jacques Villeneuve, who in 1997 won the once-great team’s last world championship.
“Its leaders are paying for the bad decisions made in recent years,” he told Le Journal de Montreal.
https://grandpx.news/williams-no-longer-a-racing-t...
BUT, these ‘cutting comments’, most probably will mean that Jacques Villeneuve’s picture on the wall at Grove, becomes a dart board…
“It’s a public entity that must report at the end of the year, and all they have to do is make a profit, which they have done. So they are fine,” the French Canadian added.
“But if the company made $16 million in 2018, it is because not enough was spent on the racing team. The president does not want to win in F1, he just wants to make sure he makes the most for the shareholders.
“That’s all that matters now,” Villeneuve alleged.
I can't remember who said it, as it was on a documentary, but they said that most of the other racing teams go to race. Williams are an engineering team that go racing.
But I'd also think that Villeneuve's face has long since been used a dart board before now.
But the net result is that they're now so hopeless that that I struggle to see them finding the sponsorship required to continue the F1 game which enables the profit they make. There is a minimum amount of money required to make even a pointless F1 car and field it through a season, they seem to already be stretching that limit this year.
Car-Matt said:
No idea why you think that we all agree about Bobby K
Kubica was overlooked by both Renault and Williams after testing specifically for the race seat and has only secured a seat by bringing enhanced funding this year to the poorest team. That tells you a lot.
I definitely don’t think he’s up to it.
Yes, he was overlooked. And it's not hard to see why. He had a day in the Renault at the 2017 Hungary test. After almost 7 years away from F1 in an unfamiliar car, which was massively different from what he last drove in 2010. His race pace sim was quite good, one-lap pace wasn't. Then he had a day in the Williams at Abu Dhabi. Again, good race pace, poor one-lap pace. Which is understandable, as trying to understand the complex Pirelli tyres in such a short time frame was always going to be nigh-on impossible.Kubica was overlooked by both Renault and Williams after testing specifically for the race seat and has only secured a seat by bringing enhanced funding this year to the poorest team. That tells you a lot.
I definitely don’t think he’s up to it.
The 2018 role at Williams with a few FP1s, pre-season and in-season testing was exactly what he needed to properly understand the Pirelli compounds and how to get the most out of them/look after them over a stint and so on.
He was as ready for 2019 as one can be with the necessary preperation he had. And no matter what driver was next to Russell, they still would have had to bring sponsor money.
sgtBerbatov said:
Thing is, were Williams ever a racing team?
I can't remember who said it, as it was on a documentary, but they said that most of the other racing teams go to race. Williams are an engineering team that go racing.
Sorry, but that’s just bI can't remember who said it, as it was on a documentary, but they said that most of the other racing teams go to race. Williams are an engineering team that go racing.
ks. We all know Williams’ history. And think we can all believe what the main interest of the significant shareholder is: the company is about racing and getting a car on the grid every Sunday. The whole Advanced Engineering thing is great and everything, but frankly doesn’t stand up without the credibility lent to it by the legacy and current involvement in the cutting edge world of F1.
The accounts say it, the majority shareholder says it, the things like placing Paddy Lowe (at the time) on the Board of the holiday company, say it. Williams is all about the F1. Advanced Engineering might be a big deal one day, but for now it’s a baby.
Claire might sniffily suggest on some well-lit documentary that they’re “...an engineering company that happens to compete in F1”, but that’s merely fluffy, revisionist marketing tut. She knows it, too. Beware the PR bs.
It might be fashionable to say it, but it’s not the truth. After all, part of the mission statement of the holding company is, “...[we exist] purely to race in the top echelon of motor racing.”
Carl Haas can legitimately say he’s got an engineering/industrial company that goes racing. Williams, can’t.
Deesee said:
There is one ? over RK, will they let him race at Monaco, the lowes hairpin is taken with left hand off the wheel and right hand on.
He'll be fine and will probably use this technique https://streamable.com/yp1kb His right hand seems more attached to the wheel this year, if you look at his onboards.A15 said:
Deesee said:
There is one ? over RK, will they let him race at Monaco, the lowes hairpin is taken with left hand off the wheel and right hand on.
He'll be fine and will probably use this technique https://streamable.com/yp1kb His right hand seems more attached to the wheel this year, if you look at his onboards.Deesee said:
I’m not so sure FP1 on a clear track in Abu Dhabi, is not Q3 on Saturday afternoon in Monaco, I’ve never seen the hairpin (lowes) taken anyother way, and I’m sure they adjust the steering rack for Monaco to to help. Anyway there’s only one way to find out.
Well no, but I wasn't arguing that. I was showing how he'd navigate it.Rosberg used a similar technique in 2013.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IlCmSMWxaEE
A15 said:
Deesee said:
I’m not so sure FP1 on a clear track in Abu Dhabi, is not Q3 on Saturday afternoon in Monaco, I’ve never seen the hairpin (lowes) taken anyother way, and I’m sure they adjust the steering rack for Monaco to to help. Anyway there’s only one way to find out.
Well no, but I wasn't arguing that. I was showing how he'd navigate it.Rosberg used a similar technique in 2013.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IlCmSMWxaEE
Ultimately Williams are at best 2 years away from any chance of escaping the back row of the grid IF they can get a grip of the new regulations coming soon. At worst they will fall further behind too far for any redistribution of wealth from Liberty to make any difference and Claire Williams will end up on QVC hawking bits of race cars to 'fans"
Big Robbo said:
Ultimately Williams are at best 2 years away from any chance of escaping the back row of the grid IF they can get a grip of the new regulations coming soon. At worst they will fall further behind too far for any redistribution of wealth from Liberty to make any difference and Claire Williams will end up on QVC hawking bits of race cars to 'fans"
They have to fund the next 2 years first.. I'm sure the current sponsors will have grown tired of the irony that their brand 'rokit' is tied to a car that's a tortoise. There was positive PR in bring kubica back to the fold, but they've given him a weak car so that's hardly the rowsing story it could have been. He's also unlikely to get the same sponsorship for his seat next season - if he even wants it, he seems pretty downbeat in interviews..I'm not sure what brand would choose to attach themselves to a certain slowest of the pack car next year. Immodium maybe?
TheDeuce said:
Big Robbo said:
Ultimately Williams are at best 2 years away from any chance of escaping the back row of the grid IF they can get a grip of the new regulations coming soon. At worst they will fall further behind too far for any redistribution of wealth from Liberty to make any difference and Claire Williams will end up on QVC hawking bits of race cars to 'fans"
They have to fund the next 2 years first.. I'm sure the current sponsors will have grown tired of the irony that their brand 'rokit' is tied to a car that's a tortoise. There was positive PR in bring kubica back to the fold, but they've given him a weak car so that's hardly the rowsing story it could have been. He's also unlikely to get the same sponsorship for his seat next season - if he even wants it, he seems pretty downbeat in interviews..I'm not sure what brand would choose to attach themselves to a certain slowest of the pack car next year. Immodium maybe?
Fundoreen said:
TheDeuce said:
Big Robbo said:
Ultimately Williams are at best 2 years away from any chance of escaping the back row of the grid IF they can get a grip of the new regulations coming soon. At worst they will fall further behind too far for any redistribution of wealth from Liberty to make any difference and Claire Williams will end up on QVC hawking bits of race cars to 'fans"
They have to fund the next 2 years first.. I'm sure the current sponsors will have grown tired of the irony that their brand 'rokit' is tied to a car that's a tortoise. There was positive PR in bring kubica back to the fold, but they've given him a weak car so that's hardly the rowsing story it could have been. He's also unlikely to get the same sponsorship for his seat next season - if he even wants it, he seems pretty downbeat in interviews..I'm not sure what brand would choose to attach themselves to a certain slowest of the pack car next year. Immodium maybe?
of course! Thanks for the correction.Said it before, they simply cannot go on as they are. They are haemorrhaging cash. Cash that the engineering company is struggling to provide (because if it wasn't, they wouldn't be in such dire straits with basement headline sponsorship) and will have to fold when a creditor calls their bluff or sell out. There is no way they'll see 2021 grid otherwise.
Tyre Smoke said:
Said it before, they simply cannot go on as they are. They are haemorrhaging cash. Cash that the engineering company is struggling to provide (because if it wasn't, they wouldn't be in such dire straits with basement headline sponsorship) and will have to fold when a creditor calls their bluff or sell out. There is no way they'll see 2021 grid otherwise.
The engineering side exists as a play off of the F1 side. It's never supported anything really. The profit is used to make is really just F1 profit, as the F1 tech saves the engineering side all the normal expenses such an enterprise would normally require.Anyway, didn't Claire say recently that engineering no longer makes any money?
But overall I agree, they can't afford F1 this year, Christ knows where the money will come from next year - unless they sell shares and relinquish control.
The car is poor but must surely have some potential that the team are currently unable to understand / exploit.
How will the team cope with engineering an all new car for 2021?
They’re probably kidding themselves that a budget cap would propel them back into the pack, but without seismic change an inefficient team will remain an inefficient team regardless of how much money is going in.
How will the team cope with engineering an all new car for 2021?
They’re probably kidding themselves that a budget cap would propel them back into the pack, but without seismic change an inefficient team will remain an inefficient team regardless of how much money is going in.
HustleRussell said:
The car is poor but must surely have some potential that the team are currently unable to understand / exploit.
How will the team cope with engineering an all new car for 2021?
They’re probably kidding themselves that a budget cap would propel them back into the pack, but without seismic change an inefficient team will remain an inefficient team regardless of how much money is going in.
Everything in life has 'some potential'. Does that car have a hidden 3 seconds a lap? Nope. The chasm in performance is just too big I think.How will the team cope with engineering an all new car for 2021?
They’re probably kidding themselves that a budget cap would propel them back into the pack, but without seismic change an inefficient team will remain an inefficient team regardless of how much money is going in.
And if they wanted contend, they need 4 seconds a lap.
If they are to field a competitive car, they need to bankroll a new one somehow.
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