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Tyre Smoke

11,474 posts

202 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Are their bills paid though?

Parts supply seems to be an issue.

Deesee

2,126 posts

24 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Heres a graph from reddit..

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/bonruo/...

RK v GR race pace



So 9 seconds pre SC, and 7 Post SC

TheDeuce

1,482 posts

7 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Tyre Smoke said:
Are their bills paid though?

Parts supply seems to be an issue.
We don't know, yet. Probably money is tight to the point that it's a significant part of the problem. However I also think the parts issues must be symptomatic of more than just cash flow.

But still, without a car money wouldn't be tight, it would evaporate altogether. I should have said they need a car to compete in order to continue at all. I accept even that amount of money is probably not quite enough given the size of the team.

Lebo44

40 posts

1 month

Wednesday 15th May
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Deesee said:
Heres a graph from reddit..

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/bonruo/...

RK v GR race pace



So 9 seconds pre SC, and 7 Post SC
Thanks for sharing this

ivanhoew

796 posts

182 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Lebo44 said:
Deesee said:
Heres a graph from reddit..

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/bonruo/...

RK v GR race pace



So 9 seconds pre SC, and 7 Post SC
Thanks for sharing this
both on the same tyres all race ?

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Deesee

2,126 posts

24 months

Wednesday 15th May
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ivanhoew said:
Lebo44 said:
Deesee said:
Heres a graph from reddit..

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/bonruo/...

RK v GR race pace



So 9 seconds pre SC, and 7 Post SC
Thanks for sharing this
both on the same tyres all race ?
Within a lap...



Petrus1983

1,973 posts

103 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Interesting -


Car-Matt

1,724 posts

79 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Petrus1983 said:
Interesting -

In what way?

We have NIL way of comparing those times with each other.

We cant infer anything about the relative pace of any of the cars/drivers

Petrus1983

1,973 posts

103 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Car-Matt said:
In what way?

We have NIL way of comparing those times with each other.

We cant infer anything about the relative pace of any of the cars/drivers
When I use to play around with racing some people couldn’t get to the right ‘zone’ - no matter what their background was. He obviously can - and can push the car well.

Car-Matt

1,724 posts

79 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Petrus1983 said:
When I use to play around with racing some people couldn’t get to the right ‘zone’ - no matter what their background was. He obviously can - and can push the car well.
No known baseline against the race drivers, so you're guessing. Sorry


Mr_Thyroid

1,676 posts

168 months

Wednesday 15th May
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TheDeuce said:
Also, I don't think HRT placed last/second from last 9 times consecutively?
In Australia they didn't qualify (can't remember if it's because they were too slow or didn't have the car ready).

In Monaco, Button retired but was classified 16th behind Karthikeyan.

In Valencia, Hamilton retired but was classified 19th behind Karthikeyan and de la Rosa.

In Canada they had a double retirement. Otherwise they finished last and 2nd last, or last with one car retired. (according to Wiki)

This year Williams have been classified ahead of other cars in two races.
Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Wednesday 15th May 16:56


Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Wednesday 15th May 18:29

Petrus1983

1,973 posts

103 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Car-Matt said:
No known baseline against the race drivers, so you're guessing. Sorry
Totally not disagreeing with you. I do wonder how much he’s paying for the test though.

Lebo44

40 posts

1 month

Wednesday 15th May
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Petrus1983 said:
Car-Matt said:
No known baseline against the race drivers, so you're guessing. Sorry
Totally not disagreeing with you. I do wonder how much he’s paying for the test though.
Something around 10mln euro afaik, similar amount Orlen paid for RK

skwdenyer

6,892 posts

181 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Car-Matt said:
Petrus1983 said:
Interesting -

In what way?

We have NIL way of comparing those times with each other.

We cant infer anything about the relative pace of any of the cars/drivers


According to their manufacturer, C5 is worth about 1.9 seconds around Barcelona than a C2. Which would make Latifi's laps internally consistent from one day to the next.

IF (big unsupportable assumption) all teams were running the same programme, AND the Pirelli-provided offsets are right, THEN we can infer that Latifi was in the mix on Day 2 - not last but still almost 3 seconds off of the fastest man of the day.

TheDeuce

1,482 posts

7 months

Wednesday 15th May
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skwdenyer said:
According to their manufacturer, C5 is worth about 1.9 seconds around Barcelona than a C2. Which would make Latifi's laps internally consistent from one day to the next.

IF (big unsupportable assumption) all teams were running the same programme, AND the Pirelli-provided offsets are right, THEN we can infer that Latifi was in the mix on Day 2 - not last but still almost 3 seconds off of the fastest man of the day.
3, maybe 4 seconds off. Hardly worth arguing about the odd second when already so much is based on assumption I suppose.

On that basis he's about the same as the two current Williams drivers on this track. I think it was 3 seconds for GR and about 4 for RK in quali. Give him the benefit of the doubt, say he's about as quick as GR perhaps.

The only problem is, we have learnt nothing. Both current drivers have said their is a point beyond which they cannot push the car without risking it becoming impossible and going off. That strongly suggests that the speed is in the end capped by the car, not the driver - whichever driver. All we really have here, is a third driver that has re-confirmed the car is an utter turd.


skwdenyer

6,892 posts

181 months

Wednesday 15th May
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TheDeuce said:
skwdenyer said:
According to their manufacturer, C5 is worth about 1.9 seconds around Barcelona than a C2. Which would make Latifi's laps internally consistent from one day to the next.

IF (big unsupportable assumption) all teams were running the same programme, AND the Pirelli-provided offsets are right, THEN we can infer that Latifi was in the mix on Day 2 - not last but still almost 3 seconds off of the fastest man of the day.
3, maybe 4 seconds off. Hardly worth arguing about the odd second when already so much is based on assumption I suppose.

On that basis he's about the same as the two current Williams drivers on this track. I think it was 3 seconds for GR and about 4 for RK in quali. Give him the benefit of the doubt, say he's about as quick as GR perhaps.

The only problem is, we have learnt nothing. Both current drivers have said their is a point beyond which they cannot push the car without risking it becoming impossible and going off. That strongly suggests that the speed is in the end capped by the car, not the driver - whichever driver. All we really have here, is a third driver that has re-confirmed the car is an utter turd.
Very much so; by looking at tyres and posting both days' times I just wanted to provide a little more context than provided by the earlier posting, which seemed to suggest that the new boy was the second coming.

TheDeuce

1,482 posts

7 months

Wednesday 15th May
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skwdenyer said:
Very much so; by looking at tyres and posting both days' times I just wanted to provide a little more context than provided by the earlier posting, which seemed to suggest that the new boy was the second coming.
Perhaps we have a few Williams fans on here that are still looking for some fresh evidence that the Williams car is not totally useless.. Or perhaps wanting to demonstrate their ability to call a future racing star.

Reality check... He did the test, drove proficiently. He did well, he essentially matched the signed drivers times. There isn't anything else to take from it - at least not until the day (if ever) the car can take being driven to a drivers personal limit.

Car-Matt

1,724 posts

79 months

Wednesday 15th May
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If my aunty had a dick she’d be my uncle..

TheDeuce

1,482 posts

7 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Car-Matt said:
If my aunty had a dick she’d be my uncle..
Hate to be an arse, but technically that's no longer true in the modern world - she could re-identify as a male without the pre-requisite dick wink

I take your point though! But that analogy is now tragically non PC. Shame, it's a good analogy.

Car-Matt

1,724 posts

79 months

Thursday 16th May
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TheDeuce said:
Car-Matt said:
If my aunty had a dick she’d be my uncle..
Hate to be an arse, but technically that's no longer true in the modern world - she could re-identify as a male without the pre-requisite dick wink

I take your point though! But that analogy is now tragically non PC. Shame, it's a good analogy.
Chortle :grin: