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Lebo44

120 posts

59 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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A15 said:
A great job by both driver to bring the cars home in one piece. A shame Russell spun. Great job by Kubica, his first wet single seater race since 2010. Alfa's 30 second penalty means Kubica scores his first point this year.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alfa-ro...
It will probably be the first and only point for Williams (hopefully not). I had hoped for the these "German" upgrades but this team needs a really solid rebuilding.

A15

60 posts

100 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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Lebo44 said:
It will probably be the first and only point for Williams (hopefully not). I had hoped for the these "German" upgrades but this team needs a really solid rebuilding.
You may be right. Still, I'll take this for now. Better than seeing

Williams 0 points at the end of the season.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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A point be default! Sums them up, what a shower...

Lebo44

120 posts

59 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
A point be default! Sums them up, what a shower...
An interesting fact is that Sergey Sirotkin's only point scored for Williams in 2018 was thanks to penalties as well.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

137 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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A great reward for their hard work on the turnaround, luck or not, they had their fare share of bad luck, hope this bit of good luck
Is a morale booster for the factory

Teppic

7,315 posts

256 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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Kubica also now gets the record for longest gap between points finishes, at 8 years, 8 months and 14 days, beating the previous record held by Lucien Bianch of 7 years, 11 months and 7 days (between the 1960 Belgian GP and 1968 Monaco GP).

slipstream 1985

12,125 posts

178 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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Russell will be kicking himself.

skwdenyer

16,172 posts

239 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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slipstream 1985 said:
Russell will be kicking himself.
Why? Because Kubica beating him couldn’t possibly be for a reason other than Russell’s mistake? smile

37chevy

3,280 posts

155 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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All the Russell v Kubica stuff aside, more importantly does this mean more money coming to the Williams from the FIA and reduced travel costs?

skwdenyer

16,172 posts

239 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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37chevy said:
All the Russell v Kubica stuff aside, more importantly does this mean more money coming to the Williams from the FIA and reduced travel costs?
https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/03/formula-1-team... gives some pointers.

TheDeuce

21,267 posts

65 months

Sunday 28th July 2019
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Car-Matt said:
A great reward for their hard work on the turnaround, luck or not, they had their fare share of bad luck, hope this bit of good luck
Is a morale booster for the factory
I pray they don't see it that way, and that Claire isn't silly enough to use this as evidence of hard work paying off. It's crystal clear it's a fluke point and no other TP would do anything other than shrug it off as a bit of luck.

This point is totally irrelevant. Their reward for hard work must come from competitiveness on track - nothing else really matters.

skwdenyer

16,172 posts

239 months

Monday 29th July 2019
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TheDeuce said:
Car-Matt said:
A great reward for their hard work on the turnaround, luck or not, they had their fare share of bad luck, hope this bit of good luck
Is a morale booster for the factory
I pray they don't see it that way, and that Claire isn't silly enough to use this as evidence of hard work paying off. It's crystal clear it's a fluke point and no other TP would do anything other than shrug it off as a bit of luck.

This point is totally irrelevant. Their reward for hard work must come from competitiveness on track - nothing else really matters.
All reasonable stuff. But, as the old saying goes, "to finish first, first you must finish." On a day when many didn't manage that, Williams did (again) and reaped the rewards. Without their upgrades, could they have managed even that?

I'd say they definitely have something to be proud of from this race, which is different to telling themselves all is rosey.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

80 months

Monday 29th July 2019
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TheDeuce said:
Car-Matt said:
A great reward for their hard work on the turnaround, luck or not, they had their fare share of bad luck, hope this bit of good luck
Is a morale booster for the factory
I pray they don't see it that way, and that Claire isn't silly enough to use this as evidence of hard work paying off. It's crystal clear it's a fluke point and no other TP would do anything other than shrug it off as a bit of luck.

This point is totally irrelevant. Their reward for hard work must come from competitiveness on track - nothing else really matters.
Well lets look at it another way. Kubica was 5 seconds behind Hamilton yesterday. More often than not both Williams cars would've been lapped at least once before hand.

Sure, the weather played a part, but even in practice the gap between them and the next slowest was down considerably. So there is progress regardless of the point by default.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

137 months

Monday 29th July 2019
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TheDeuce said:
Car-Matt said:
A great reward for their hard work on the turnaround, luck or not, they had their fare share of bad luck, hope this bit of good luck
Is a morale booster for the factory
I pray they don't see it that way, and that Claire isn't silly enough to use this as evidence of hard work paying off. It's crystal clear it's a fluke point and no other TP would do anything other than shrug it off as a bit of luck.

This point is totally irrelevant. Their reward for hard work must come from competitiveness on track - nothing else really matters.
Couldn't disagree more, of course they wont see that the point is due to the current performance of the car, they're intelligent people not retards, however the fact they sneaked a point is a great morale booster when all the luck they've had so far is bad luck. You clearly have never managed a team

TheDeuce

21,267 posts

65 months

Monday 29th July 2019
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Car-Matt said:
TheDeuce said:
Car-Matt said:
A great reward for their hard work on the turnaround, luck or not, they had their fare share of bad luck, hope this bit of good luck
Is a morale booster for the factory
I pray they don't see it that way, and that Claire isn't silly enough to use this as evidence of hard work paying off. It's crystal clear it's a fluke point and no other TP would do anything other than shrug it off as a bit of luck.

This point is totally irrelevant. Their reward for hard work must come from competitiveness on track - nothing else really matters.
Couldn't disagree more, of course they wont see that the point is due to the current performance of the car, they're intelligent people not retards, however the fact they sneaked a point is a great morale booster when all the luck they've had so far is bad luck. You clearly have never managed a team
So... You basically agree with me then.

Anyway, my point was that I'd hate to see this point (nice as it is to have) PR spun into some sort of proof of improvement at Williams. I think that's fair enough. It's fine if you disagree with that sentiment though


thegreenhell

15,110 posts

218 months

Monday 29th July 2019
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It's not over yet. Alfa are planning to appeal the decision, and say they have evidence that will overturn the penalty.

Lebo44

120 posts

59 months

Monday 29th July 2019
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thegreenhell said:
It's not over yet. Alfa are planning to appeal the decision, and say they have evidence that will overturn the penalty.
Of course they will appeal but they have no chance. The violation was serious and they could be DSQ easily.

EDLT

15,421 posts

205 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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This popped up on Reddit, Kubica's car has a bit of wheel wobble and is pulling to the left slightly on apparently brand new tyres (ie no flat spots):
https://streamable.com/aitmy
Compared to Kimi's car which is solid as a rock:
https://youtu.be/JkCZAzZ1hqk

NewUsername

925 posts

55 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.

skwdenyer

16,172 posts

239 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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For those interested, the quali laps side by side: https://streamable.com/xygwg

I’d love to see Williams swap the engineers around for a weekend to see if that made any difference; it is hard to believe from that video that the two cars are optimised as well as each other.

That said perhaps Robert really has lost the feeling for the edge.