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BrettMRC said:
The RK performance stuff is interesting... as is the sheer volume of hate directed towards Williams on the teams Facebook posts from Polish fans.
They seem to truely believe Williams are hobbling Roberts car in favour of George!
My own thoughts on this are:
On the circuits/conditions where experience can trump raw talent, Robert has edged George.
Everywhere else when you can live on your talent and reflexes - it's George all the way.
Why would any team, let alone one with the struggles of Williams, want to impact their chances of a result?
If there are differences in the cars setup/design/equipment then its possible these could be adaptions to assist Robert overcome any issues as a result of his injury?
There's also the fact that George has raced on several of these circuits recently in F2, so has recent experience of both the circuits and the not so dis-similar tyres .They seem to truely believe Williams are hobbling Roberts car in favour of George!
My own thoughts on this are:
On the circuits/conditions where experience can trump raw talent, Robert has edged George.
Everywhere else when you can live on your talent and reflexes - it's George all the way.
Why would any team, let alone one with the struggles of Williams, want to impact their chances of a result?
If there are differences in the cars setup/design/equipment then its possible these could be adaptions to assist Robert overcome any issues as a result of his injury?
If Roberts wing is failing in Qualy and GK's isnt, perhaps Robert should stay off the curbs.
RK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
RK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
I think RK is there as a race-active development driver given his experience and is not expected to do better the GR.
I also rate GR very highly - higher than Norris. He was the clear class of the field in GP3 and F2, on raw speed, racecraft and understanding the car. The latter could be an explanation in Hungary too - maybe he's just now got on top of it. Yet I have no delusions he's going to be at the back in the next few races as that Williams hasn't demonstrated it's good in a straight line.
In F2 his team mates were nowhere in comparison (and also a reason I don't really rate anyone in F2 atm. De vries, Hubert maybe but when compared to how well Aiken is doing and that Aiken was minced by Russell)... Latifi is also a journey man imo.
Toto has confirmed GR is going nowhere in 2020 https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/43257/mercedes-...
I also rate GR very highly - higher than Norris. He was the clear class of the field in GP3 and F2, on raw speed, racecraft and understanding the car. The latter could be an explanation in Hungary too - maybe he's just now got on top of it. Yet I have no delusions he's going to be at the back in the next few races as that Williams hasn't demonstrated it's good in a straight line.
In F2 his team mates were nowhere in comparison (and also a reason I don't really rate anyone in F2 atm. De vries, Hubert maybe but when compared to how well Aiken is doing and that Aiken was minced by Russell)... Latifi is also a journey man imo.
Toto has confirmed GR is going nowhere in 2020 https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/43257/mercedes-...
NewUsername said:
If Roberts wing is failing in Qualy and GK's isnt, perhaps Robert should stay off the curbs.
RK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
Maybe Williams should get the basics of building a strong car right? There's 18 other cars that can ride the kerbs fineRK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
DanielSan said:
NewUsername said:
If Roberts wing is failing in Qualy and GK's isnt, perhaps Robert should stay off the curbs.
RK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
Maybe Williams should get the basics of building a strong car right? There's 18 other cars that can ride the kerbs fineRK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
NewUsername said:
Are there? Or are there 19 other drivers who don't hit them as hard? We can assume that one of the greatest manufacturers of all time can build a wing.....
Actually Russell also damaged his wing in France running on a curb on 30th lap and had to pit early. That was when he he was surpassed by RK for the first time this season.Edited by Lebo44 on Thursday 8th August 19:19
NewUsername said:
Are there? Or are there 19 other drivers who don't hit them as hard? We can assume that one of the greatest manufacturers of all time can build a wing.....
Their cars have been falling apart since Melbourne and things don't seem to have improved given we're halfway through the season and hits are still falling off. They're a long time since being a great manufacturer in F1, they're now just a shambles.
So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?
NewUsername said:
So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?
I think you'll find the others were unlucky and Williams were lucky.Some of the haters on here wouldn't credit Williams with anything even if they put a man on the moon powered by chocolate
keirik said:
NewUsername said:
So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?
I think you'll find the others were unlucky and Williams were lucky.Some of the haters on here wouldn't credit Williams with anything even if they put a man on the moon powered by chocolate
keirik said:
NewUsername said:
So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?
I think you'll find the others were unlucky and Williams were lucky.Some of the haters on here wouldn't credit Williams with anything even if they put a man on the moon powered by chocolate
NewUsername said:
I think over the weekend Williams beat those other cars on merit, Haas is a joke right now, they are the real laughing stock of F1, they just don't have a clue how their car works. Its a real shame as their low cost model is great if it works and reduces barriers to entry to F1, it needs to work, bit it doesn't it seems at the moment.
HAAS model worked pretty well for the first three seasons, especially when you weigh their performance up against their budget and manpower. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-financ...
I don’t think that we can expect next years car to be a big leap forward, but fingers crossed.
It looks like Robert May well have a drive next year.
I don’t think that we can expect next years car to be a big leap forward, but fingers crossed.
It looks like Robert May well have a drive next year.
rdjohn said:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-financ...
I don’t think that we can expect next years car to be a big leap forward, but fingers crossed.
It looks like Robert May well have a drive next year.
Cash will be king. As at 30th June they have negative cash. In the absence of any major improvements in on-track performance, it isn’t obvious how that will be reversed.I don’t think that we can expect next years car to be a big leap forward, but fingers crossed.
It looks like Robert May well have a drive next year.
So one sadly shouldn’t expect any major changes. The best they can do is to ramp their consulting business as fast as possible so that external clients carry the main burden of all those overheads.
skwdenyer said:
rdjohn said:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-financ...
I don’t think that we can expect next years car to be a big leap forward, but fingers crossed.
It looks like Robert May well have a drive next year.
Cash will be king. As at 30th June they have negative cash. In the absence of any major improvements in on-track performance, it isn’t obvious how that will be reversed.I don’t think that we can expect next years car to be a big leap forward, but fingers crossed.
It looks like Robert May well have a drive next year.
So one sadly shouldn’t expect any major changes. The best they can do is to ramp their consulting business as fast as possible so that external clients carry the main burden of all those overheads.
On a slightly different tack, I visited the factory today for the open day and everyone seemed to be positive and enthusiastic although I'm sure the PR department were working overtime to achieve this. During the Q&A session, Clare mentioned that it costs £120 million a year to run the team but carefully avoided anything about its future or driver line up for next year. Robert Kubica was nowhere to be seen instead it was left to George Russell ,Nicolas Latifi and Jamie Chadwick to carry out the driver duties. George and Jamie were very polished and professional , Nicolas not so much. The factory and facilities were hugely impressive and it certainly doesn't make sense to me having seen the set up ,how they are in this position with the resources available to them.
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