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Lebo44

107 posts

5 months

Thursday 8th August
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NewUsername said:
Wheres the source for this anecdotal evidence of the gap, ie direct quotes from RK to press and the evidence of a broken front wing?
I dont' know why I couldn't find any source in English.

But you can check this, one of many reliable sources in Polish.
http://www.sport.pl/F1/7,96296,25058105,robert-kub...

This part is interesting (translated with Google) as RK claims he should have been ahead of GR in quals two times already:
"We need to understand the differences that occur from weekend to weekend. I should be ahead of George twice in qualifying, but at Silverstone and Hockenheim my front wing got damaged during qualifying. Meanwhile, here I was driving almost a second slower than him, because I estimate the real loss at 0.6 seconds but really more important than times is the feeling in the car."

BrettMRC

1,032 posts

105 months

Thursday 8th August
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The RK performance stuff is interesting... as is the sheer volume of hate directed towards Williams on the teams Facebook posts from Polish fans.

They seem to truely believe Williams are hobbling Roberts car in favour of George!


My own thoughts on this are:

On the circuits/conditions where experience can trump raw talent, Robert has edged George.
Everywhere else when you can live on your talent and reflexes - it's George all the way.

Why would any team, let alone one with the struggles of Williams, want to impact their chances of a result?
If there are differences in the cars setup/design/equipment then its possible these could be adaptions to assist Robert overcome any issues as a result of his injury?

smile

Lebo44

107 posts

5 months

Thursday 8th August
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Most interesting parts from RK's post-Hungaroring interviews, translated by DeepL Translator, to spare you some time on translating. This interview was not published in non-polish media for some reason.

It looked like you had a better pace on harder tires, for a long time even better than George.
RK: I feel like I've never driven fast before. I didn't have a good feeling. All I can do is go away and take care of my tires. But the feeling in the car was the same from start to finish. After 12 races of the season I don't have a lot of cool things to remember and summarize. It wasn't an easy start and the whole half of the season. I hope that the second one will be better. We have to understand the differences between the weekend and the weekend. I should have been ahead of George twice in qualifying recently, but at Silverstone and Hockenheim my front wing was damaged in qualifying. Meanwhile, I was driving almost a second slower than him here, because I estimate the real loss at 0.6 seconds, but in fact the feeling in the car is more important than the times themselves.

George's qualifying showed that something was moving, didn't it?
RK: I'm sure George had better performance here, but the car was the same as last week in Germany, and there wasn't much progress there. We managed to get closer to the others in the qualifying and beat a few cars. After the summer holidays we'll have to compete on completely different tracks and then we'll be able to say more about getting close to the teams ahead of us. I hope that in the second part of the season we will have more stability in the car, because that's where it all starts. If it is stable and predictable, you can focus on working on the details.


rscott

9,203 posts

136 months

Thursday 8th August
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BrettMRC said:
The RK performance stuff is interesting... as is the sheer volume of hate directed towards Williams on the teams Facebook posts from Polish fans.

They seem to truely believe Williams are hobbling Roberts car in favour of George!


My own thoughts on this are:

On the circuits/conditions where experience can trump raw talent, Robert has edged George.
Everywhere else when you can live on your talent and reflexes - it's George all the way.

Why would any team, let alone one with the struggles of Williams, want to impact their chances of a result?
If there are differences in the cars setup/design/equipment then its possible these could be adaptions to assist Robert overcome any issues as a result of his injury?

smile
There's also the fact that George has raced on several of these circuits recently in F2, so has recent experience of both the circuits and the not so dis-similar tyres .

NewUsername

122 posts

1 month

Thursday 8th August
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If Roberts wing is failing in Qualy and GK's isnt, perhaps Robert should stay off the curbs.


RK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....

mattikake

4,693 posts

144 months

Thursday 8th August
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I think RK is there as a race-active development driver given his experience and is not expected to do better the GR.

I also rate GR very highly - higher than Norris. He was the clear class of the field in GP3 and F2, on raw speed, racecraft and understanding the car. The latter could be an explanation in Hungary too - maybe he's just now got on top of it. Yet I have no delusions he's going to be at the back in the next few races as that Williams hasn't demonstrated it's good in a straight line.

In F2 his team mates were nowhere in comparison (and also a reason I don't really rate anyone in F2 atm. De vries, Hubert maybe but when compared to how well Aiken is doing and that Aiken was minced by Russell)... Latifi is also a journey man imo.

Toto has confirmed GR is going nowhere in 2020 https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/43257/mercedes-...

DanielSan

14,361 posts

112 months

Thursday 8th August
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NewUsername said:
If Roberts wing is failing in Qualy and GK's isnt, perhaps Robert should stay off the curbs.


RK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
Maybe Williams should get the basics of building a strong car right? There's 18 other cars that can ride the kerbs fine

NewUsername

122 posts

1 month

Thursday 8th August
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DanielSan said:
NewUsername said:
If Roberts wing is failing in Qualy and GK's isnt, perhaps Robert should stay off the curbs.


RK is a little like Nigel Mansell used to be until he learned the secret, you dont have to be pushing the limit 100% of the time to go faster over a race weekend. The car breaks more for Robert, wonder why.....
Maybe Williams should get the basics of building a strong car right? There's 18 other cars that can ride the kerbs fine
Are there? Or are there 19 other drivers who don't hit them as hard? We can assume that one of the greatest manufacturers of all time can build a wing.....

Lebo44

107 posts

5 months

Thursday 8th August
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NewUsername said:
Are there? Or are there 19 other drivers who don't hit them as hard? We can assume that one of the greatest manufacturers of all time can build a wing.....
Actually Russell also damaged his wing in France running on a curb on 30th lap and had to pit early. That was when he he was surpassed by RK for the first time this season.

Edited by Lebo44 on Thursday 8th August 19:19

DanielSan

14,361 posts

112 months

Thursday 8th August
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NewUsername said:
Are there? Or are there 19 other drivers who don't hit them as hard? We can assume that one of the greatest manufacturers of all time can build a wing.....
Their cars have been falling apart since Melbourne and things don't seem to have improved given we're halfway through the season and hits are still falling off.

They're a long time since being a great manufacturer in F1, they're now just a shambles.

Lebo44

107 posts

5 months

Thursday 8th August
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Russell damaging his wing on a curb (8 sec):
https://streamable.com/atrwq


NewUsername

122 posts

1 month

Thursday 8th August
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So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?

keirik

2,111 posts

88 months

Friday 23rd August
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NewUsername said:
So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?
I think you'll find the others were unlucky and Williams were lucky.

Some of the haters on here wouldn't credit Williams with anything even if they put a man on the moon powered by chocolate

NewUsername

122 posts

1 month

Friday 23rd August
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keirik said:
NewUsername said:
So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?
I think you'll find the others were unlucky and Williams were lucky.

Some of the haters on here wouldn't credit Williams with anything even if they put a man on the moon powered by chocolate
I think over the weekend Williams beat those other cars on merit, Haas is a joke right now, they are the real laughing stock of F1, they just don't have a clue how their car works. Its a real shame as their low cost model is great if it works and reduces barriers to entry to F1, it needs to work, bit it doesn't it seems at the moment.

REALIST123

11,800 posts

98 months

Friday 23rd August
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keirik said:
NewUsername said:
So stay off the curbs.other teams pick up damage from curbs too, that's the point of them, they are not part of the track. The issue is not special to Williams, some of you giving them such a slating is downright disrespectful. Given they beat other teams on merit at Hungary are those teams an embarrassing shambles too?
I think you'll find the others were unlucky and Williams were lucky.

Some of the haters on here wouldn't credit Williams with anything even if they put a man on the moon powered by chocolate
There's a moon powered by chocolate??! Where's that then?

FourWheelDrift

77,834 posts

229 months

Friday 23rd August
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REALIST123 said:
There's a moon powered by chocolate??! Where's that then?
That's Mars isn't it?

cuprabob

7,915 posts

159 months

Friday 23rd August
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FourWheelDrift said:
REALIST123 said:
There's a moon powered by chocolate??! Where's that then?
That's Mars isn't it?
I thought it was the Milky Way, which is in our Galaxy hehe

keirik

2,111 posts

88 months

Friday 23rd August
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FourWheelDrift said:
REALIST123 said:
There's a moon powered by chocolate??! Where's that then?
That's Mars isn't it?
Badoom tish

HustleRussell

16,791 posts

105 months

Friday 23rd August
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NewUsername said:
I think over the weekend Williams beat those other cars on merit, Haas is a joke right now, they are the real laughing stock of F1, they just don't have a clue how their car works. Its a real shame as their low cost model is great if it works and reduces barriers to entry to F1, it needs to work, bit it doesn't it seems at the moment.
HAAS model worked pretty well for the first three seasons, especially when you weigh their performance up against their budget and manpower.

rdjohn

3,637 posts

140 months

Tuesday 10th September
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-financ...

I don’t think that we can expect next years car to be a big leap forward, but fingers crossed.

It looks like Robert May well have a drive next year.