Williams F1

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poppopbangbang

1,022 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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skwdenyer said:
He also suggested that they were having to repair rather than replace due to a lack of spares. Whether that means he has to start the race with repaired parts, or whether they're holding-back new parts for the race I don't know.
This isn't unusual and every team will have a few DAG guys with them to effect repairs to composite structures during the weekend. You don't bin a floor because you've lost a strake or the leading edge you just fix it. Likewise on cake tins, ducts etc. etc.

Early in the season no one has a lot of spares because you've only had a short period of time between validating your first race spec or upgrades for first race and the actual race weekend.

Bullitt Five-Oh

528 posts

6 months

Friday 15th March
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HustleRussell said:
I feel that Claire should step down.
I feel nauseous watching Clair do the interviews, she's giving off that vibe, I can't put my finger on it but it rubs me the wrong way. She's trying too hard to come across as being in control.

TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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poppopbangbang said:
I don't really have the time and to be honest when I last did it turned into a massive pain of people messaging demanding an answer to their question or getting upset because you've explained why they are wrong about something. Happy to dip in and out and contribute when the opportunity presents itself though.
I totally understand this. And anyone who wishes to ask a question of any specialist, just make sure it's not a lazy question. Do the common sense 95% yourself before you ask a specialist for the final 5%. Otherwise, why would the specialist think you would appreciate what they have to offer?


TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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poppopbangbang said:
This isn't unusual and every team will have a few DAG guys with them to effect repairs to composite structures during the weekend. You don't bin a floor because you've lost a strake or the leading edge you just fix it. Likewise on cake tins, ducts etc. etc.

Early in the season no one has a lot of spares because you've only had a short period of time between validating your first race spec or upgrades for first race and the actual race weekend.
What is unusual is for a driver to publicly say what Kubica has said. They are repairing current structures in order to save all the parts they have for quali and race. In other words, they have one spare. No matter what happens to anyone else in FP3, no matter the damage, you will not hear any other team say that.

F1 has just moved beyond the place that Williams seem to think still exists. You don't have a car unless you have spares. That applies more than ever if the car you have is as fragile as the Williams is - and they knew how fragile it was 2 weeks ago. Why no spares? They have the ability within their own workshop to form the largest of parts on a car, and Claire is there, so we know they have a private jet... Truth is parts are at most 30 hours away from the car, anywhere in the world. They have been complaining of a parts shortage for two weeks... Make of that what you will.

rallycross

9,691 posts

176 months

Saturday 16th March
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TheDeuce said:
What is unusual is for a driver to publicly say what Kubica has said .....will.
He’s put his millions into this (sponsors money and his own money) and the season starts and he now realises he is in with a bunch of formula ford level amateurs in the pits while
All his £££&&$$$€€€€$ goes to the the “management team”.

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TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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rallycross said:
He’s put his millions into this (sponsors money and his own money) and the season starts and he now realises he is in with a bunch of formula ford level amateurs in the pits while
All his £££&&$$$€€€€$ goes to the the “management team”.
Well this is a bit awkward.

The truth is he 'kind of' bought his own seat. Except he didn't really. The money he put in is almost irrelevant, about 3% of Williams revenue. He basically paid for a return chance. He is their best bet so far as driver talent goes. Regardless of how turd the car happens to be.

The awkward bit is his views on the state of the Williams car. He already fought against death and serious disability so he has no time for bullst, he's telling it as it is. And he keeps being more and more 'open' about how bad things are. I wonder if he has simply lost respect for the rest of the team. What he battled against must make the current Williams posturing and (rumoured) staff squabbles seem insignificant. I feel he's pushing and is mostly pissed off because the rest of the team aren't driven to push quite so hard.

Mr Pointy

3,070 posts

98 months

Saturday 16th March
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rallycross said:
TheDeuce said:
What is unusual is for a driver to publicly say what Kubica has said .....will.
He’s put his millions into this (sponsors money and his own money) and the season starts and he now realises he is in with a bunch of formula ford level amateurs in the pits while
All his £££&&$$$€€€€$ goes to the the “management team”.
But it's not like he walked into it cold is it? He's been working with Williams for what, two years now & he must have seen what it was like for the Strolls last year. Surely he knew what he was getting into?

TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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Mr Pointy said:
But it's not like he walked into it cold is it? He's been working with Williams for what, two years now & he must have seen what it was like for the Strolls last year. Surely he knew what he was getting into?
Maybe he went crazy and dared to dream that this years car wouldn't be further off the pace than last years?

Personally, I think he just wanted back in to F1. And now he has that seat, I think it's quite obvious he's a bit disappointed by Williams effort.

And why should he not be? They are certainly going to be beaten by at least one team this year with a smaller budget than they have.

You're also right, he must have at least semi-expected this. But there was no other seat. Can't blame a guy for having passion - he could easily have lived his life on the money he already had.

I can imagine he feels that the effort Williams are currently making falls somewhat short of the recovery effort he made. I don't think he will show them any real respect until they make the same sort of effort.


Petrus1983

1,752 posts

101 months

Saturday 16th March
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Well that seems a double disaster.

Not only ridiculously slow - but Kubica is almost 2 seconds slower than his newbie teammate and a massive 5.6 off the pole time.

TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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Petrus1983 said:
Well that seems a double disaster.

Not only ridiculously slow - but Kubica is almost 2 seconds slower than his newbie teammate and a massive 5.6 off the pole time.
He's said in every interview the car has no grip. When he pushed, he lost control and clipped a wall.

But yes, Russell managed by comparison far better.

His prize: has to drive the Williams in a full race now.

Petrus1983

1,752 posts

101 months

Saturday 16th March
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TheDeuce said:
He's said in every interview the car has no grip. When he pushed, he lost control and clipped a wall.

But yes, Russell managed by comparison far better.

His prize: has to drive the Williams in a full race now.
That seems very optimistic laugh

TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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Petrus1983 said:
That seems very optimistic laugh
That's one of the big stories for me tomorrow, can the Williams cars do a full race?

If they were to manage a double DNF, they're in with a shot of the worst start to a season ever achieved.


swisstoni

7,459 posts

218 months

Saturday 16th March
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I wonder, when teams are struggling like this and likely to trip the 107% limit, they ought to be excused from in-season testing limitations.

It might help to rehabilitate themselves back to something like proper pace.

The Hypno-Toad

9,506 posts

144 months

Saturday 16th March
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TheDeuce said:
If they were to manage a double DNF, they're in with a shot of the worst start to a season ever achieved.
In order to do that they would have to paint the car red and change its name to LIFE.

Smollet

4,524 posts

129 months

Saturday 16th March
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The Hypno-Toad said:
TheDeuce said:
If they were to manage a double DNF, they're in with a shot of the worst start to a season ever achieved.
In order to do that they would have to paint the car red and change its name to LIFE.
Was that worse than Andrea Moda?

TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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The Hypno-Toad said:
In order to do that they would have to paint the car red and change its name to LIFE.
Fair.

But Williams still have time to ruin tomorrows race, they might not be done yet...

TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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swisstoni said:
I wonder, when teams are struggling like this and likely to trip the 107% limit, they ought to be excused from in-season testing limitations.

It might help to rehabilitate themselves back to something like proper pace.
I think it's right they have to fail in quali before that sort of thing is considered. It's racing so all results have to be earned on track, even if the result is a terrible one and just proves you're not up to scratch. Obviously everyone already knows they're not up to scratch, but it has to happen on track before the officials will recognise the fact.

If they did exceed 107% I would be very keen for them to get some extra testing time. It would be interesting to see what they can achieve without the excuse of delayed testing etc. I still struggle to believe they wouldn't be last though. If they found a massive 2 seconds they would still be last.. But at least fighting for last, rather than a foregone conclusion.


Adrian W

11,177 posts

167 months

Saturday 16th March
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They probably can’t afford the cost of extra testing time, I hope Russell has made the right choice

Kizmiaz

171 posts

27 months

Saturday 16th March
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Bugger.

TheDeuce

616 posts

5 months

Saturday 16th March
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Adrian W said:
They probably can’t afford the cost of extra testing time, I hope Russell has made the right choice
If he keeps on spanking Kubica he probably has. I can't see either driver being there next year though. Russell's contract is so low £ value he could easily be poached. Kubica, I don't think he's at all impressed, and if he's beaten by Russell too...