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TheDeuce said:
Munter said:
There is an F1 released graphic showing the improvements. Williams had the 2nd biggest gain behind racing point.
I dont doubt it really... Although keen to see how this first race goes for them before getting too excited. Is be very happy to see them fighting for places.Munter said:
TheDeuce said:
Munter said:
There is an F1 released graphic showing the improvements. Williams had the 2nd biggest gain behind racing point.
I dont doubt it really... Although keen to see how this first race goes for them before getting too excited. Is be very happy to see them fighting for places.Between Williams efforts and Ferrari's disastrous efforts, it does look like Williams will have the potential to gain places on tacks that suit them.
Still with the caveat we need to see this first race to judge their true pace.
C Lee Farquar said:
Safety cars bunched them up twice but they weren't dropping of significantly.
They looked close to Haas, performance wise.
We know they're close. But the big question is are they just ahead, or just behind? It is a big question as it's the difference between Williams being defacto last or arguably in contention.They looked close to Haas, performance wise.
Just need a straight race to play out and see how they really stack up. We're bound to get a boring race at some point
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.
Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.
Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Might be boring.. hope not. I reckon there are plenty of teams close enough to bring regular battles.Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
It might be useful to see a fairly uneventful race though, just to see how the cars compare across a race without incidents and safety cars shuffling the results. Melbourne normally provides such a (dull) race, and we obviously missed out on that this year.
Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.
Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
At one point, about a lap before his failure, Russell had spent about 4/5 laps holding off Vettel, and I kid you not, the radio message to Vettel (not broadcast on TV, but on the live timing app) said "If you can't get past Russell, we'll go to Plan C". To the best of my recollection, no-one was in front of Russell to give him DRS (though may be wrong about that).Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
At what point in the last few years has a Ferrari ever struggled to pass a Williams?
TheDeuce said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.
Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Might be boring.. hope not. I reckon there are plenty of teams close enough to bring regular battles.Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
It might be useful to see a fairly uneventful race though, just to see how the cars compare across a race without incidents and safety cars shuffling the results. Melbourne normally provides such a (dull) race, and we obviously missed out on that this year.
Even a slight change in weather should make a difference and I look forward to an almost instant rematch.
Fundoreen said:
TheDeuce said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.
Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Might be boring.. hope not. I reckon there are plenty of teams close enough to bring regular battles.Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
It might be useful to see a fairly uneventful race though, just to see how the cars compare across a race without incidents and safety cars shuffling the results. Melbourne normally provides such a (dull) race, and we obviously missed out on that this year.
Even a slight change in weather should make a difference and I look forward to an almost instant rematch.
I'm genuinely grateful for the double headers, it's quite fascinating to see how different 'the same race' will be.
IMHO, a very good series in Autosport about Williams F1 team.
Can’t find the first article, but here are the links to the second and the third.
How Williams overcame its greatest setback
Just as Williams hit a renewed peak of form in alliance with Honda, a road accident with life-changing consequences for founder and team principal Frank Williams created a new set of formidable challenges, recalls DAMIEN SMITH in the second of our multi-part history of Williams F1
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10271/how-wil...
When Williams led F1 to a new technological peak
In the third part of our history of Williams, DAMIEN SMITH looks at 1989-1993: A new alliance with Renault and the rapid development of high-tech electronic suspension control systems opened the door to absolute dominance, only to prompt a sharp FIA clampdown...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10420/when-wi...
Can’t find the first article, but here are the links to the second and the third.
How Williams overcame its greatest setback
Just as Williams hit a renewed peak of form in alliance with Honda, a road accident with life-changing consequences for founder and team principal Frank Williams created a new set of formidable challenges, recalls DAMIEN SMITH in the second of our multi-part history of Williams F1
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10271/how-wil...
When Williams led F1 to a new technological peak
In the third part of our history of Williams, DAMIEN SMITH looks at 1989-1993: A new alliance with Renault and the rapid development of high-tech electronic suspension control systems opened the door to absolute dominance, only to prompt a sharp FIA clampdown...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10420/when-wi...
Fortitude said:
IMHO, a very good series in Autosport about Williams F1 team.
Can’t find the first article, but here are the links to the second and the third.
How Williams overcame its greatest setback
Just as Williams hit a renewed peak of form in alliance with Honda, a road accident with life-changing consequences for founder and team principal Frank Williams created a new set of formidable challenges, recalls DAMIEN SMITH in the second of our multi-part history of Williams F1
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10271/how-wil...
When Williams led F1 to a new technological peak
In the third part of our history of Williams, DAMIEN SMITH looks at 1989-1993: A new alliance with Renault and the rapid development of high-tech electronic suspension control systems opened the door to absolute dominance, only to prompt a sharp FIA clampdown...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10420/when-wi...
Thanks, I enjoyed the skim/read through (I'm still at work), although as interesting as it was it also renewed my sadness and frustration at the current Williams situation. I know there has been 'progress' this year... But I think still the odds on likelihood is that 'Williams' won't really be 'Williams' for very much longer. None of what is current takes away from such a fantastic history though.Can’t find the first article, but here are the links to the second and the third.
How Williams overcame its greatest setback
Just as Williams hit a renewed peak of form in alliance with Honda, a road accident with life-changing consequences for founder and team principal Frank Williams created a new set of formidable challenges, recalls DAMIEN SMITH in the second of our multi-part history of Williams F1
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10271/how-wil...
When Williams led F1 to a new technological peak
In the third part of our history of Williams, DAMIEN SMITH looks at 1989-1993: A new alliance with Renault and the rapid development of high-tech electronic suspension control systems opened the door to absolute dominance, only to prompt a sharp FIA clampdown...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10420/when-wi...
TheDeuce said:
Thanks, I enjoyed the skim/read through (I'm still at work), although as interesting as it was it also renewed my sadness and frustration at the current Williams situation. I know there has been 'progress' this year... But I think still the odds on likelihood is that 'Williams' won't really be 'Williams' for very much longer. None of what is current takes away from such a fantastic history though.
Deuce, it is ALWAYS about opinions, but this You Tube clip always resonates with me...ITV Meridian Tonight : WilliamsF1 FW19 Car Launch (31-01-1997)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fej_hAO8xG4
The interview with Patrick Head is poignant, IMHO, very revealing... ...in some ways, IMHO, the slow decline was set in motion... ...the loss of Adrian Newey...
Deesee said:
Big upgrade coming for Silverstone.. I would really like to see Williams climb up that constructor table..
The only way is up!!https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150744/williams-...
Smollet said:
Deesee said:
Big upgrade coming for Silverstone.. I would really like to see Williams climb up that constructor table..
The only way is up!!https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150744/williams-...
Fortitude said:
TheDeuce said:
Thanks, I enjoyed the skim/read through (I'm still at work), although as interesting as it was it also renewed my sadness and frustration at the current Williams situation. I know there has been 'progress' this year... But I think still the odds on likelihood is that 'Williams' won't really be 'Williams' for very much longer. None of what is current takes away from such a fantastic history though.
Deuce, it is ALWAYS about opinions, but this You Tube clip always resonates with me...ITV Meridian Tonight : WilliamsF1 FW19 Car Launch (31-01-1997)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fej_hAO8xG4
The interview with Patrick Head is poignant, IMHO, very revealing... ...in some ways, IMHO, the slow decline was set in motion... ...the loss of Adrian Newey...
But I've got to listen to people like John Barnard and Gordon Murray, and I feel alone in thinking that there's a hype train around Newey that - in my opinion - isn't as justified as what it's made out to be. People talk about the decline at Williams starting when he left, and I think that's total bullshine. The decline starts when BMW left.
That's not to say Williams should've gone all in on a BMW partnership as they could've ended up in Sauber's position. Now Sauber have never recovered since BMW left, and I'd argue they were the worse for that partnership. But Williams haven't had the luxury of a works engine deal, and I often think that if the engine rules weren't as strict or as expensive as they are now, Williams would've been as well to court an engine manufacturer and work with them on a works basis that way. Less money spent on purchasing engines is more money spent on development of the car.
But this isn't the 90's anymore, I'm painfully aware of that. You've gotta piss with the cock you've got as they say.
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