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Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Munter said:
There is an F1 released graphic showing the improvements. Williams had the 2nd biggest gain behind racing point.
I dont doubt it really... Although keen to see how this first race goes for them before getting too excited. Is be very happy to see them fighting for places.
Found a link to the graphic I mentioned on Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCOyNxqo295/?igshid=10...

TheDeuce

21,268 posts

65 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Munter said:
TheDeuce said:
Munter said:
There is an F1 released graphic showing the improvements. Williams had the 2nd biggest gain behind racing point.
I dont doubt it really... Although keen to see how this first race goes for them before getting too excited. Is be very happy to see them fighting for places.
Found a link to the graphic I mentioned on Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCOyNxqo295/?igshid=10...
Thanks. What's extra impressive about that is that it's comparing Austria this year, where the cars are effectively brand new, to Austria last year when they had approx 4 months more track and development time.

Between Williams efforts and Ferrari's disastrous efforts, it does look like Williams will have the potential to gain places on tacks that suit them.

Still with the caveat we need to see this first race to judge their true pace.

TheDeuce

21,268 posts

65 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Well it turns out the improvement has been huge, p11!

Not exactly the sort of race we learn very much from granted... But on paper a good result! Latifi did well to remain as competitive as possible, especially after yesterday's accident.

trackdemon

12,149 posts

260 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Still last though wink Tbf, George looked like he would have had a decent result had his car not let him down - probably points scoring given the attrition rate. Shoulda woulda...

TheDeuce

21,268 posts

65 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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I actually missed the middle portion of the race when friends came round for wife's bday (selfish wife!) I'll watch back at ten tonight because I need to see what,if anything, Williams could have got on merit ahead of GR's dnf.

C Lee Farquar

4,066 posts

215 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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Safety cars bunched them up twice but they weren't dropping of significantly.

They looked close to Haas, performance wise.

TheDeuce

21,268 posts

65 months

Sunday 5th July 2020
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C Lee Farquar said:
Safety cars bunched them up twice but they weren't dropping of significantly.

They looked close to Haas, performance wise.
We know they're close. But the big question is are they just ahead, or just behind? It is a big question as it's the difference between Williams being defacto last or arguably in contention.

Just need a straight race to play out and see how they really stack up. We're bound to get a boring race at some point wink

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

260 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.

Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.

TheDeuce

21,268 posts

65 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.

Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Might be boring.. hope not. I reckon there are plenty of teams close enough to bring regular battles.

It might be useful to see a fairly uneventful race though, just to see how the cars compare across a race without incidents and safety cars shuffling the results. Melbourne normally provides such a (dull) race, and we obviously missed out on that this year.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

109 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.

Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
At one point, about a lap before his failure, Russell had spent about 4/5 laps holding off Vettel, and I kid you not, the radio message to Vettel (not broadcast on TV, but on the live timing app) said "If you can't get past Russell, we'll go to Plan C". To the best of my recollection, no-one was in front of Russell to give him DRS (though may be wrong about that).

At what point in the last few years has a Ferrari ever struggled to pass a Williams?

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

82 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.

Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Might be boring.. hope not. I reckon there are plenty of teams close enough to bring regular battles.

It might be useful to see a fairly uneventful race though, just to see how the cars compare across a race without incidents and safety cars shuffling the results. Melbourne normally provides such a (dull) race, and we obviously missed out on that this year.
Well you only have to look at two races of F2 every race weekend to see its still eventful though they do shuffle the grid.
Even a slight change in weather should make a difference and I look forward to an almost instant rematch.

TheDeuce

21,268 posts

65 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Fundoreen said:
TheDeuce said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Sunday weather permitting will be a boring race I predict. They all know what does and doesn't work.

Latifi looked slow, but Russell looked to be holding his own in about 15th early on which would have been an excellent result, he would have been inside the top ten surely if his car hadn't let go.
Might be boring.. hope not. I reckon there are plenty of teams close enough to bring regular battles.

It might be useful to see a fairly uneventful race though, just to see how the cars compare across a race without incidents and safety cars shuffling the results. Melbourne normally provides such a (dull) race, and we obviously missed out on that this year.
Well you only have to look at two races of F2 every race weekend to see its still eventful though they do shuffle the grid.
Even a slight change in weather should make a difference and I look forward to an almost instant rematch.
Me too. And frankly whatever happens is not going to be the same as yesterday's bizarre race. The podium will not feature the same drivers in the same order, other than perhaps Bottas.

I'm genuinely grateful for the double headers, it's quite fascinating to see how different 'the same race' will be.

Fortitude

492 posts

191 months

Monday 20th July 2020
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IMHO, a very good series in Autosport about Williams F1 team.

Can’t find the first article, but here are the links to the second and the third.


How Williams overcame its greatest setback

Just as Williams hit a renewed peak of form in alliance with Honda, a road accident with life-changing consequences for founder and team principal Frank Williams created a new set of formidable challenges, recalls DAMIEN SMITH in the second of our multi-part history of Williams F1

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10271/how-wil...


When Williams led F1 to a new technological peak

In the third part of our history of Williams, DAMIEN SMITH looks at 1989-1993: A new alliance with Renault and the rapid development of high-tech electronic suspension control systems opened the door to absolute dominance, only to prompt a sharp FIA clampdown...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10420/when-wi...

TheDeuce

21,268 posts

65 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Fortitude said:
IMHO, a very good series in Autosport about Williams F1 team.

Can’t find the first article, but here are the links to the second and the third.


How Williams overcame its greatest setback

Just as Williams hit a renewed peak of form in alliance with Honda, a road accident with life-changing consequences for founder and team principal Frank Williams created a new set of formidable challenges, recalls DAMIEN SMITH in the second of our multi-part history of Williams F1

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10271/how-wil...


When Williams led F1 to a new technological peak

In the third part of our history of Williams, DAMIEN SMITH looks at 1989-1993: A new alliance with Renault and the rapid development of high-tech electronic suspension control systems opened the door to absolute dominance, only to prompt a sharp FIA clampdown...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/10420/when-wi...
Thanks, I enjoyed the skim/read through (I'm still at work), although as interesting as it was it also renewed my sadness and frustration at the current Williams situation. I know there has been 'progress' this year... But I think still the odds on likelihood is that 'Williams' won't really be 'Williams' for very much longer. None of what is current takes away from such a fantastic history though.

Fortitude

492 posts

191 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Thanks, I enjoyed the skim/read through (I'm still at work), although as interesting as it was it also renewed my sadness and frustration at the current Williams situation. I know there has been 'progress' this year... But I think still the odds on likelihood is that 'Williams' won't really be 'Williams' for very much longer. None of what is current takes away from such a fantastic history though.
Deuce, it is ALWAYS about opinions, but this You Tube clip always resonates with me...

ITV Meridian Tonight : WilliamsF1 FW19 Car Launch (31-01-1997)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fej_hAO8xG4

The interview with Patrick Head is poignant, IMHO, very revealing... ...in some ways, IMHO, the slow decline was set in motion... ...the loss of Adrian Newey...

Deesee

8,328 posts

82 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Big upgrade coming for Silverstone.. I would really like to see Williams climb up that constructor table..

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Deesee said:
Big upgrade coming for Silverstone.. I would really like to see Williams climb up that constructor table..
The only way is up!!
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150744/williams-...

thegreenhell

15,110 posts

218 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Smollet said:
Deesee said:
Big upgrade coming for Silverstone.. I would really like to see Williams climb up that constructor table..
The only way is up!!
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150744/williams-...
All that seems to say is that Latifi will be getting the same upgrades that Russell has had for the last two races.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

80 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Fortitude said:
TheDeuce said:
Thanks, I enjoyed the skim/read through (I'm still at work), although as interesting as it was it also renewed my sadness and frustration at the current Williams situation. I know there has been 'progress' this year... But I think still the odds on likelihood is that 'Williams' won't really be 'Williams' for very much longer. None of what is current takes away from such a fantastic history though.
Deuce, it is ALWAYS about opinions, but this You Tube clip always resonates with me...

ITV Meridian Tonight : WilliamsF1 FW19 Car Launch (31-01-1997)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fej_hAO8xG4

The interview with Patrick Head is poignant, IMHO, very revealing... ...in some ways, IMHO, the slow decline was set in motion... ...the loss of Adrian Newey...
Sat as I am at my dining room table, listening to podcasts at a raised volume to drown out ignorant neighbours, I've been thinking about Adrian Newey a lot. I read his book, and it's as close to me as the saying goes: never meet your heroes. I thought he came across as a complete knobber in the book.

But I've got to listen to people like John Barnard and Gordon Murray, and I feel alone in thinking that there's a hype train around Newey that - in my opinion - isn't as justified as what it's made out to be. People talk about the decline at Williams starting when he left, and I think that's total bullshine. The decline starts when BMW left.

That's not to say Williams should've gone all in on a BMW partnership as they could've ended up in Sauber's position. Now Sauber have never recovered since BMW left, and I'd argue they were the worse for that partnership. But Williams haven't had the luxury of a works engine deal, and I often think that if the engine rules weren't as strict or as expensive as they are now, Williams would've been as well to court an engine manufacturer and work with them on a works basis that way. Less money spent on purchasing engines is more money spent on development of the car.

But this isn't the 90's anymore, I'm painfully aware of that. You've gotta piss with the cock you've got as they say.

Dermot O'Logical

2,547 posts

128 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Nicolas Latifi



Jean Girard


I knew Latifi reminded me of somebody...