The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

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TheDeuce

3,938 posts

15 months

Sunday 12th January
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REALIST123 said:
TheDeuce said:
What are you on about? The car is a result of the business, not a factor in its success. Sorry, you've lost me there.

Anyway yes, insufficient funds, we can't afford the taycans. I was hopeful of some lease deals as is so often the case with new cars but it wasn't to be.
He was being funny.

If it really needs explaining, he’s comparing you with having a business that can’t afford to run a class leading car with Williams who can’t afford to build and run a class leading car and who you have suggested need new management.

It’s only a joke but not a bad one as it goes. wink
Oh I got the joke wink

To rise or not to rise - that is the question...

HustleRussell

17,226 posts

109 months

Sunday 12th January
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TheDeuce said:
To rise or not to rise - that is the question...
I have my fingers crossed that 2019 was the bottom of the Mariana Trench of Williams form and 2020 will see them at least getting the fundaments down. They don’t have the worst hand of cards on the grid and the budget cap, although not a silver bullet by any means, at least won’t work against them.

TheDeuce

3,938 posts

15 months

Sunday 12th January
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HustleRussell said:
I have my fingers crossed that 2019 was the bottom of the Mariana Trench of Williams form and 2020 will see them at least getting the fundaments down. They don’t have the worst hand of cards on the grid and the budget cap, although not a silver bullet by any means, at least won’t work against them.
It has to at least stop the gap between bottom and top teams growing as it has been. Maybe not for 2021 (cars designed in 2020 ahead of caps), but 2022 and onwards.

No way of knowing exactly where Williams are financially right now, we don't know what they got for WAE.. but assuming they do have the money to make a worthwhile effort this year, I expect it will be better than last year. They have the talent to find improvements even in the dog of a car they're stuck with. Whatever their longer term future, showing an upwards tradjectory this year would be great.

I think I've rattled a few cages with my Williams views. But whatever happens I do believe the core team values and expertise will continue and will shine again.

HustleRussell

17,226 posts

109 months

Sunday 12th January
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I don’t think you’ve rattled any cages, you’ve just grated at people with your constant doom-mongering

Teddy Lop

2,169 posts

16 months

Sunday 12th January
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HustleRussell said:
I don’t think you’ve rattled any cages, you’ve just grated at people with your constant doom-mongering
TBF it doesn't take much to set people off where McLaren or Williams are concerned, a fair few people have a football team like loyalty to them and will hear no wrong, I made some people apoplectic pointing out how delusional some of what was coming out of camp McLaren a few years ago was.

TheDeuce

3,938 posts

15 months

Sunday 12th January
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Teddy Lop said:
TBF it doesn't take much to set people off where McLaren or Williams are concerned, a fair few people have a football team like loyalty to them and will hear no wrong, I made some people apoplectic pointing out how delusional some of what was coming out of camp McLaren a few years ago was.
Very true. And for what it's worth I post about Williams because it's an interesting and important story in my view. If they turned their fortunes around and were in the ascendancy I would post no less, I'm not interested only in their failure - but the simple fact is that for the last 3 years there has only been failure to speak of.

On the flip side, I post very often about Mercedes sustained glory and the renewed Red Bull success last year and also the endless Ferrari potential that ends up in comedy each outing. I do find I'm up against the British Tifosi whenever it's a Williams post/opinion I submit. That's fine though, different people interact with sport in different ways - for some they nail themselves to a team and that's that. They don't want or welcome discussion, they just want to see support. Fair enough imo, just not my way. I like the story behind each team/driver. For me that makes the track action more important.

Teddy Lop

2,169 posts

16 months

Sunday 12th January
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TheDeuce said:
Very true. And for what it's worth I post about Williams because it's an interesting and important story in my view. If they turned their fortunes around and were in the ascendancy I would post no less, I'm not interested only in their failure - but the simple fact is that for the last 3 years there has only been failure to speak of.

On the flip side, I post very often about Mercedes sustained glory and the renewed Red Bull success last year and also the endless Ferrari potential that ends up in comedy each outing. I do find I'm up against the British Tifosi whenever it's a Williams post/opinion I submit. That's fine though, different people interact with sport in different ways - for some they nail themselves to a team and that's that. They don't want or welcome discussion, they just want to see support. Fair enough imo, just not my way. I like the story behind each team/driver. For me that makes the track action more important.
I struggle to feel any sympathy for an outfit being mis managed making an embarrassment of itself, any more than you should feel sympathy for an unfit idiot who jumps into an MMA cage and gets battered. Formula one is not somewhere you should get a trophy just for taking part, franks certainly been happy to be a part of the snake pit in past years so don't talk about history to me, the current williams is more of a stain on the annals of williams than any criticism you or I could muster, what needs to change has been speculated and discussed at length and it doesnt. (I'll be happy to commend them if/when they do what has to be done to be successful again)

TheDeuce

3,938 posts

15 months

Sunday 12th January
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Teddy Lop said:
I struggle to feel any sympathy for an outfit being mis managed making an embarrassment of itself, any more than you should feel sympathy for an unfit idiot who jumps into an MMA cage and gets battered. Formula one is not somewhere you should get a trophy just for taking part, franks certainly been happy to be a part of the snake pit in past years so don't talk about history to me, the current williams is more of a stain on the annals of williams than any criticism you or I could muster, what needs to change has been speculated and discussed at length and it doesnt. (I'll be happy to commend them if/when they do what has to be done to be successful again)
It will happen, in the end it must. It is frustrating that Frank won't do it willingly, it feels like a stty end to a great story. It's his business though, in every way.

Not great for the sport when a competitor is known to not be remotely competitive but keeps turning up to make up the numbers. Any fan can be forgiven for finding that frustrating.. entering 'the pinnacle of motorsport' series should require more than building a car that technically meets regs and qualifies. When the goal is survival over and above winning, it's not really sport anymore, just business.

jsf

14,893 posts

185 months

Sunday 12th January
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TheDeuce said:
It will happen, in the end it must. It is frustrating that Frank won't do it willingly, it feels like a stty end to a great story. It's his business though, in every way.

Not great for the sport when a competitor is known to not be remotely competitive but keeps turning up to make up the numbers. Any fan can be forgiven for finding that frustrating.. entering 'the pinnacle of motorsport' series should require more than building a car that technically meets regs and qualifies. When the goal is survival over and above winning, it's not really sport anymore, just business.
In historic reference terms, Williams are not far off the pace and have the capacity to get back into a competitive situation if the Aero team do a good job.

To suggest they are a non entity just making up the numbers is ridiculous. The vast majority of teams in F1 have been trying to survive and have not been capable of winning. Some make it and win for a while, some never get a sniff. That's the nature of the sport/business.

F1 teams have always been a business, going right back to the beginning of motor racing it was used to build brands or promote an established manufacturer or even political regime. Where do you think the money comes from?

REALIST123

12,537 posts

102 months

Sunday 12th January
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TheDeuce said:
Teddy Lop said:
TBF it doesn't take much to set people off where McLaren or Williams are concerned, a fair few people have a football team like loyalty to them and will hear no wrong, I made some people apoplectic pointing out how delusional some of what was coming out of camp McLaren a few years ago was.
Very true. And for what it's worth I post about Williams because it's an interesting and important story in my view. If they turned their fortunes around and were in the ascendancy I would post no less, I'm not interested only in their failure - but the simple fact is that for the last 3 years there has only been failure to speak of.

On the flip side, I post very often about Mercedes sustained glory and the renewed Red Bull success last year and also the endless Ferrari potential that ends up in comedy each outing. I do find I'm up against the British Tifosi whenever it's a Williams post/opinion I submit. That's fine though, different people interact with sport in different ways - for some they nail themselves to a team and that's that. They don't want or welcome discussion, they just want to see support. Fair enough imo, just not my way. I like the story behind each team/driver. For me that makes the track action more important.
The thing is you have very strong opinions and seem to constantly bang on about this that and the other as if you’re some expert whereas in reality you know no more than anyone else.

Just my opinion.




C Lee Farquar

2,631 posts

165 months

Sunday 12th January
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REALIST123 said:
Just my opinion.
No it's not (just yours) smile







TheDeuce

3,938 posts

15 months

Sunday 12th January
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REALIST123 said:
The thing is you have very strong opinions and seem to constantly bang on about this that and the other as if you’re some expert whereas in reality you know no more than anyone else.

Just my opinion.

We all have the same facts available to us. What we do with those facts in our individual musings is down to each of us.

I wouldn't bother to share an opinion unless it was strong. Hence, all my opinions will be strong.

jsf

14,893 posts

185 months

Sunday 12th January
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TheDeuce said:
We all have the same facts available to us.
We do not.

janesmith1950

4,602 posts

44 months

Sunday 12th January
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So answers on a memorabilia Pirelli intermediate tyre converted into a bar stool using the exhaust manifolds from a 1999 Mugen Honda V10 as legs, what is going to be the biggest F1 silly season shock at any point in 2020?

I'm going for Mercedes pull out.

TheDeuce

3,938 posts

15 months

Sunday 12th January
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janesmith1950 said:
So answers on a memorabilia Pirelli intermediate tyre converted into a bar stool using the exhaust manifolds from a 1999 Mugen Honda V10 as legs, what is going to be the biggest F1 silly season shock at any point in 2020?

I'm going for Mercedes pull out.
Is that a shock or a 50/50?

If I had to bet... I'd say Ferrari end in third place. That is about the most likely but also most shocking thing I can see could happen. Could, not will.

JonChalk

2,501 posts

59 months

Sunday 12th January
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janesmith1950 said:
So answers on a memorabilia Pirelli intermediate tyre converted into a bar stool using the exhaust manifolds from a 1999 Mugen Honda V10 as legs, what is going to be the biggest F1 silly season shock at any point in 2020?

I'm going for Mercedes pull out.
Re-emergence of Rich Energy as title sponsors of the whole season?

(Oh, it was a serious question?. Sorry, got confused by "silly" in the question).

ajprice

16,849 posts

145 months

Sunday 12th January
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janesmith1950 said:
So answers on a memorabilia Pirelli intermediate tyre converted into a bar stool using the exhaust manifolds from a 1999 Mugen Honda V10 as legs, what is going to be the biggest F1 silly season shock at any point in 2020?

I'm going for Mercedes pull out.
A driver gets dropped to be replaced by Alonso. Not just at McLaren. Any team.

Deesee

3,326 posts

32 months

Sunday 12th January
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janesmith1950 said:
So answers on a memorabilia Pirelli intermediate tyre converted into a bar stool using the exhaust manifolds from a 1999 Mugen Honda V10 as legs, what is going to be the biggest F1 silly season shock at any point in 2020?

I'm going for Mercedes pull out.
Kmag, fastest lap in Singapore, (I’d say the bookies won’t have that at 20000/1 again in play).

Piginapoke

938 posts

134 months

Sunday 12th January
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Deesee said:
Kmag, fastest lap in Singapore, (I’d say the bookies won’t have that at 20000/1 again in play).
Top 3 unlikely but not impossible events in 2020:

Williams outside the 107% rule
Vettel quits before the end of the year
Haas walks away

vaud

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34,474 posts

104 months

Sunday 12th January
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janesmith1950 said:
So answers on a memorabilia Pirelli intermediate tyre converted into a bar stool using the exhaust manifolds from a 1999 Mugen Honda V10 as legs, what is going to be the biggest F1 silly season shock at any point in 2020?

I'm going for Mercedes pull out.
I will start the 2020 thread once the season starts wink

I think they will pull out as a manufacturer team, but remain as an engine supplier.