The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*
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Poppiecock said:
I don’t think Hamilton and Ferrari would work.
I’ve done some stuff with Ferrari, it’s very corporate and a good Ferrari driver has to do lots of hosting and presentations as well as be quick in the car.
Hamilton just wouldn’t fit with what is expected.
Aside from the unspoken it's the politics that would do for Hamilton at Ferrari, anything else he'd contract out or deal with. Ferrari need a driver with a willingness to play politics, to mould the team around himself as an extension of his own ego, they need a strong hand. That just isn't Hamilton. I’ve done some stuff with Ferrari, it’s very corporate and a good Ferrari driver has to do lots of hosting and presentations as well as be quick in the car.
Hamilton just wouldn’t fit with what is expected.
Poppiecock said:
Ferrari are unique.
It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
Nonsense. Ferrari is a race team that wants to win. They don't have a special kind of driver that fits in. It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
They've had all the types of character in their cars over the years, the same as all the successful teams.
Hamilton is in no way uniquely unsuitable to drive for Ferrari. Subject to how desire to continue and their competitiveness I've little doubt Hamilton and Ferrari would end up together. Hamilton is nothing but nostalgic and his hero was almost certainly on his way to the dark donkey if he hadn't had his accident.
janesmith1950 said:
Poppiecock said:
Ferrari are unique.
It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
Nonsense. Ferrari is a race team that wants to win. They don't have a special kind of driver that fits in. It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
They've had all the types of character in their cars over the years, the same as all the successful teams.
Hamilton is in no way uniquely unsuitable to drive for Ferrari. Subject to how desire to continue and their competitiveness I've little doubt Hamilton and Ferrari would end up together. Hamilton is nothing but nostalgic and his hero was almost certainly on his way to the dark donkey if he hadn't had his accident.
If you go to Ferrari you need to actively enjoy politcing as Schumacher & Alonso did. Hamilton hates all that crap (eg swapping mechanics round) & would fail dismally.
Mr Pointy said:
I disagree. Hamilton is not a strong mentally self contained person like Schumacher or Alonso. He needs the team to cuddle & cosset him to produce his best & that's exactly what Toto has done. Schumacher would never have radiod "retire the car" just because he was circulating in P11.
Alonso spent 2015 - 2018 trying to retire the car HustleRussell said:
Mr Pointy said:
I disagree. Hamilton is not a strong mentally self contained person like Schumacher or Alonso. He needs the team to cuddle & cosset him to produce his best & that's exactly what Toto has done. Schumacher would never have radiod "retire the car" just because he was circulating in P11.
Alonso spent 2015 - 2018 trying to retire the car 
k. Hamilton was in P11 because he dumped it into the gravel. Mr Pointy said:
I disagree. Hamilton is not a strong mentally self contained person like Schumacher or Alonso. He needs the team to cuddle & cosset him to produce his best & that's exactly what Toto has done. Schumacher would never have radiod "retire the car" just because he was circulating in P11.
If you go to Ferrari you need to actively enjoy politcing as Schumacher & Alonso did. Hamilton hates all that crap (eg swapping mechanics round) & would fail dismally.
Has there been two Alonso's in F1 recently? because the one I saw was a whitney little bIf you go to Ferrari you need to actively enjoy politcing as Schumacher & Alonso did. Hamilton hates all that crap (eg swapping mechanics round) & would fail dismally.
h.janesmith1950 said:
Poppiecock said:
Ferrari are unique.
It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
Nonsense. Ferrari is a race team that wants to win. They don't have a special kind of driver that fits in. It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
They've had all the types of character in their cars over the years, the same as all the successful teams.
Hamilton is in no way uniquely unsuitable to drive for Ferrari. Subject to how desire to continue and their competitiveness I've little doubt Hamilton and Ferrari would end up together. Hamilton is nothing but nostalgic and his hero was almost certainly on his way to the dark donkey if he hadn't had his accident.
However, if you spend any time around Ferrari, and especially in Maranello, you start to realise that it's much deeper than rocking up at the weekend and driving quickly.
Mr Pointy said:
janesmith1950 said:
Poppiecock said:
Ferrari are unique.
It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
Nonsense. Ferrari is a race team that wants to win. They don't have a special kind of driver that fits in. It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
They've had all the types of character in their cars over the years, the same as all the successful teams.
Hamilton is in no way uniquely unsuitable to drive for Ferrari. Subject to how desire to continue and their competitiveness I've little doubt Hamilton and Ferrari would end up together. Hamilton is nothing but nostalgic and his hero was almost certainly on his way to the dark donkey if he hadn't had his accident.
If you go to Ferrari you need to actively enjoy politcing as Schumacher & Alonso did. Hamilton hates all that crap (eg swapping mechanics round) & would fail dismally.
HighwayStar said:
Mr Pointy said:
janesmith1950 said:
Poppiecock said:
Ferrari are unique.
It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
Nonsense. Ferrari is a race team that wants to win. They don't have a special kind of driver that fits in. It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
They've had all the types of character in their cars over the years, the same as all the successful teams.
Hamilton is in no way uniquely unsuitable to drive for Ferrari. Subject to how desire to continue and their competitiveness I've little doubt Hamilton and Ferrari would end up together. Hamilton is nothing but nostalgic and his hero was almost certainly on his way to the dark donkey if he hadn't had his accident.
If you go to Ferrari you need to actively enjoy politcing as Schumacher & Alonso did. Hamilton hates all that crap (eg swapping mechanics round) & would fail dismally.
I'm not knocking Hamilton & Mercedes: Hamilton has fabricated a supportive setup where he feels comfortable to produce his best work & Toto has managed the environment to give Hamilton what he wants in order to keep producing WDC & WCC trophies. I simply don't belive Ferrari work that way & they wouldn't get the best out of Hamilton.
I think there is another risk coming that could impact 2020, more likely 2021.
Auto in Europe is potentially going to have a bid downturn. Renault is a mile from it's stated goals laid out in their plan (was supposed to be 4th, then 3rd, then challenging for title in 2020 IIRC) - instead they will likely be beaten by their customer team.
I don't think they would withdraw as an engine supplier (preserves the French jobs, investment, etc) but would they lose much face to sell the works team?
Auto in Europe is potentially going to have a bid downturn. Renault is a mile from it's stated goals laid out in their plan (was supposed to be 4th, then 3rd, then challenging for title in 2020 IIRC) - instead they will likely be beaten by their customer team.
I don't think they would withdraw as an engine supplier (preserves the French jobs, investment, etc) but would they lose much face to sell the works team?
Vaud said:
I think there is another risk coming that could impact 2020, more likely 2021.
Auto in Europe is potentially going to have a bid downturn. Renault is a mile from it's stated goals laid out in their plan (was supposed to be 4th, then 3rd, then challenging for title in 2020 IIRC) - instead they will likely be beaten by their customer team.
I don't think they would withdraw as an engine supplier (preserves the French jobs, investment, etc) but would they lose much face to sell the works team?
Red Bull were technically a Renault engine customer team beating them. Last year McLaren had an issue with the car they couldn't fix, this year it's sorted and they're getting better. Renault have gone back a bit though for whatever reason, I don't know if there's anything in the car they can't fix like at McLaren last year.Auto in Europe is potentially going to have a bid downturn. Renault is a mile from it's stated goals laid out in their plan (was supposed to be 4th, then 3rd, then challenging for title in 2020 IIRC) - instead they will likely be beaten by their customer team.
I don't think they would withdraw as an engine supplier (preserves the French jobs, investment, etc) but would they lose much face to sell the works team?
ajprice said:
Red Bull were technically a Renault engine customer team beating them. Last year McLaren had an issue with the car they couldn't fix, this year it's sorted and they're getting better. Renault have gone back a bit though for whatever reason, I don't know if there's anything in the car they can't fix like at McLaren last year.
Indeed. I just wonder how long the board will tolerate non-performance (and give it was a Carlos Ghosn sponsored project)... easier to back out, blame the economy and Ghosn.Mr Pointy said:
HighwayStar said:
Mr Pointy said:
janesmith1950 said:
Poppiecock said:
Ferrari are unique.
It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
Nonsense. Ferrari is a race team that wants to win. They don't have a special kind of driver that fits in. It’s a mindset, way of life, extended family, it just wouldn’t work.
They've had all the types of character in their cars over the years, the same as all the successful teams.
Hamilton is in no way uniquely unsuitable to drive for Ferrari. Subject to how desire to continue and their competitiveness I've little doubt Hamilton and Ferrari would end up together. Hamilton is nothing but nostalgic and his hero was almost certainly on his way to the dark donkey if he hadn't had his accident.
If you go to Ferrari you need to actively enjoy politcing as Schumacher & Alonso did. Hamilton hates all that crap (eg swapping mechanics round) & would fail dismally.
I'm not knocking Hamilton & Mercedes: Hamilton has fabricated a supportive setup where he feels comfortable to produce his best work & Toto has managed the environment to give Hamilton what he wants in order to keep producing WDC & WCC trophies. I simply don't belive Ferrari work that way & they wouldn't get the best out of Hamilton.
It's interesting how various folk on here see Hamilton and what they base their view on.
Lewis is definitely comfortable in the team. I'd say in their own way RedBull have bent over backwards to accommodate Max and his ego is most certainly stroked night and day. I'm not knocking it. If I was a team principle I'd be looking after my star people too. You only have to look at Williams to see what happens when they didn't.
Pietro Fittipaldi not for Haas as they look for more experienced drivers.
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Borring..... but......
Hamilton and Bottas both still with Mercedes. Bottas does enough to keep out of Hamiltons way and to bring the second places home and the odd win to keep Mercedes as Constrcutors championship. Why would you rock that boat? You would be stupid to.
Ocon needs a drive or he's history.... but.... Mercedes are stuck with two juniors! So why not put both in a Williams and see who fks it up and who takes the opportunity. My guess is that Russel is safer bet anyday over Ocon.
Haas need to change a driver. Grojean makes mistakes, Magnesson is an arse. I'd keep Kev and drop Romain and if I was Hulkenberg, i'd want his seat.
Ricciardo will stay put at Renault, Gassly maybe being slotted in, away from Red Bull and could be a cheap French option considering ricciardo's retainer!!
That leaves a top seat at Red Bull.... that has to be for Alborn. Not very experienced, but then again, was Verstappen?
Completely left field..... Giovannazi out of Alfa, and Schumacher in.
(Drvers name's spelled incorrectly but you get who I mean!!!)
Hamilton and Bottas both still with Mercedes. Bottas does enough to keep out of Hamiltons way and to bring the second places home and the odd win to keep Mercedes as Constrcutors championship. Why would you rock that boat? You would be stupid to.
Ocon needs a drive or he's history.... but.... Mercedes are stuck with two juniors! So why not put both in a Williams and see who f
ks it up and who takes the opportunity. My guess is that Russel is safer bet anyday over Ocon.Haas need to change a driver. Grojean makes mistakes, Magnesson is an arse. I'd keep Kev and drop Romain and if I was Hulkenberg, i'd want his seat.
Ricciardo will stay put at Renault, Gassly maybe being slotted in, away from Red Bull and could be a cheap French option considering ricciardo's retainer!!
That leaves a top seat at Red Bull.... that has to be for Alborn. Not very experienced, but then again, was Verstappen?
Completely left field..... Giovannazi out of Alfa, and Schumacher in.
(Drvers name's spelled incorrectly but you get who I mean!!!)
Vaud said:
Schumacher won't be in - they have said that they are being very careful in his timing into F1.
He's not doing that well in F2.
He won his last race....... and most of his problems this year is around being taken out by others!He's not doing that well in F2.
And if they leave it too long then he'll be found out as an adequate driver rather than a great driver!!
You never know as well... Prema might find the switch that they flicked on in Euro F3 last year in the F2 car????
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