Official 2019 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2019 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

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AWRacing

1,712 posts

225 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
Thread here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Piginapoke

Original Poster:

4,754 posts

185 months

Monday 8th April 2019
quotequote all
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!

Deesee

8,416 posts

83 months

Monday 8th April 2019
quotequote all
Piginapoke said:
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
Just in front of LMP2 pace..

Piginapoke

Original Poster:

4,754 posts

185 months

Monday 8th April 2019
quotequote all
Deesee said:
Piginapoke said:
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
Just in front of LMP2 pace..
and F2

Mr Pointy

11,209 posts

159 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Piginapoke said:
Deesee said:
Piginapoke said:
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
Just in front of LMP2 pace..
and F2
For heaven's sake don't tell the Yanks their precious Indycars are about as fast as the cars our kids train on.

Vaud

50,429 posts

155 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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AWRacing said:
Thanks, brain fade, had missed it!

E34-3.2

1,003 posts

79 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Piginapoke said:
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
What saving?

15% is huge in racing term.

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

150 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Looking forward to this weekend hugely. Should be a great race.

Piginapoke

Original Poster:

4,754 posts

185 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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E34-3.2 said:
Piginapoke said:
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
What saving?

15% is huge in racing term.
Top end F1 budget £400m

Winning IndyCar budget £20m per car.





Vaud

50,429 posts

155 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Piginapoke said:
Top end F1 budget £400m

Winning IndyCar budget £20m per car.
$400m, and a slight net profit (with caveats)



In Indy, do they have a FOM equivalent with historic payments, etc?

slipstream 1985

12,211 posts

179 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Piginapoke said:
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
Law of diminishing returns.

Piginapoke

Original Poster:

4,754 posts

185 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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slipstream 1985 said:
Piginapoke said:
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
Law of diminishing returns.
It is indeed. But I have to say, employing 1,000 people to put two cars on the grid 20 times a year is bonkers.

Deesee

8,416 posts

83 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Piginapoke said:
slipstream 1985 said:
Piginapoke said:
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
Law of diminishing returns.
It is indeed. But I have to say, employing 1,000 people to put two cars on the grid 20 times a year is bonkers.
+ brixworth (power units)

Jasandjules

69,871 posts

229 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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E34-3.2 said:
What saving?

15% is huge in racing term.
Not to mention rule changes to slow down F1 cars...

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Piginapoke said:
slipstream 1985 said:
Piginapoke said:
Vaud said:
Off topic but rather than start a new thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nEqEDmta8

A comparison between Indycar and F1 at COTA.
Indycar 15% slower than F1; only marginally faster than F2 on a pretty much identical track.

I hadn't realised that they were quite that much slower.
I was surprised Indycar was not slower; 15% off F1 pace for approx 80% saving on F1 budget!
Law of diminishing returns.
It is indeed. But I have to say, employing 1,000 people to put two cars on the grid 20 times a year is bonkers.
and yet wonderful.

We had a thread about this and I think most people pointed out its apples and oranges, I don't even know why anyone would be impressed per se with the speed difference. Williams could build a car cheaper still that would lap faster than either, without the rulebook restraining them.

E34-3.2

1,003 posts

79 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Piginapoke said:
Top end F1 budget £400m

Winning IndyCar budget £20m per car.
That is my point. Why do you call it saving?

Is Indycar better than F1? Can they out perform an F1 in a race? No, so no money has been saved as they can't even come close to a slow F1 or compete in the same championship.

Eric Mc

121,960 posts

265 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Indeycars aren't designed to compete with F1. They are designed to compete with other Indycars.

The fact that F1 might be quicker and have more technical gimmicks packed into them and have the biggest head count and the biggest budgets in motorsport does not impress me one jot. Indeed, it's almost criminal that so much effort and money is put into a product that fails to impress on most occasions.

Never in the field of motor racing has so much effort been put into something that impresses so little.

Vaud

50,429 posts

155 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Eric Mc said:
Never in the field of motor racing has so much effort been put into something that impresses so little.
You haven't seen me trying to race in a go-kart wink

E34-3.2

1,003 posts

79 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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Eric Mc said:
Indeycars aren't designed to compete with F1. They are designed to compete with other Indycars.

The fact that F1 might be quicker and have more technical gimmicks packed into them and have the biggest head count and the biggest budgets in motorsport does not impress me one jot. Indeed, it's almost criminal that so much effort and money is put into a product that fails to impress on most occasions.

Never in the field of motor racing has so much effort been put into something that impresses so little.
That is your view. Millions of people love it. I do.

Vaud

50,429 posts

155 months

Monday 8th April 2019
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E34-3.2 said:
Eric Mc said:
Indeycars aren't designed to compete with F1. They are designed to compete with other Indycars.

The fact that F1 might be quicker and have more technical gimmicks packed into them and have the biggest head count and the biggest budgets in motorsport does not impress me one jot. Indeed, it's almost criminal that so much effort and money is put into a product that fails to impress on most occasions.

Never in the field of motor racing has so much effort been put into something that impresses so little.
That is your view. Millions of people love it. I do.
I think technically they are very impressive. Visually and aurally I think they can still do more to impress. Difficult balance.

We have a grid with no pay drivers, so there is more competence and fewer crashes. We have no new teams joining and failing, so no cars being lapped 5 times.
The gap from front to back is pretty tight, and yet we have little overtaking.

I love the sport, but more work to be done.