Lance Stroll is not a quick driver, discuss...
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Piginapoke said:
Russian company Uralkali is suing the administrator because it believes that the winning bid from the consortium led by Lawrence Stroll was significantly inferior to what it had offered.
Doesn’t mean it is inferior though does it? Right now you’ve got a stable team with a businessman who has continued to invest in junior teams he set up along the way, and yes a driver who is his son.What’s to say a Russian owner wouldn’t have dodgy money and insist on a talentless Russian driver.
37chevy said:
Doesn’t mean it is inferior though does it? Right now you’ve got a stable team with a businessman who has continued to invest in junior teams he set up along the way, and yes a driver who is his son.
What’s to say a Russian owner wouldn’t have dodgy money and insist on a talentless Russian driver.
I didn’t say the bid was better; you asked what other options the administrator had What’s to say a Russian owner wouldn’t have dodgy money and insist on a talentless Russian driver.
Piginapoke said:
I didn’t say the bid was better; you asked what other options the administrator had
So you’re criticising Force India for ‘taking the Stroll money’ and having his son drive, but your alternative is a Russian conrtim lead by Dmitry Mazepin who’s lead driver would be his son Nikita, who hasn’t turned a wheel in F1.Edited by 37chevy on Saturday 13th April 22:27
Piginapoke said:
37chevy said:
Such as? They obviously thought this was the best/ safest option. I’ve got several friends who are employed at the team so I’m good with their decision (as are they)
Russian company Uralkali is suing the administrator because it believes that the winning bid from the consortium led by Lawrence Stroll was significantly inferior to what it had offered.And let's not forget the other bid for the team made by Rich Energy...
Mr Tidy said:
He doesn't deserve to be there on talent, so there is only 1 alternative as I see it!
Which seems to be Daddy's money - another wasted seat!
I'm sure all the people working at Racing Point who can now afford to pay their mortgages etc don't see it as a wasted seat.Which seems to be Daddy's money - another wasted seat!
Lets not forget the guy has won championships and has been on the podium. You don't do that with nothing but money but it certainly helps.
I can't think of any racing series where a driver has got there on talent and nothing else. It always takes money at some point along the ladder.
Kraken said:
Mr Tidy said:
He doesn't deserve to be there on talent, so there is only 1 alternative as I see it!
Which seems to be Daddy's money - another wasted seat!
I'm sure all the people working at Racing Point who can now afford to pay their mortgages etc don't see it as a wasted seat.Which seems to be Daddy's money - another wasted seat!
Lets not forget the guy has won championships and has been on the podium. You don't do that with nothing but money but it certainly helps.
I can't think of any racing series where a driver has got there on talent and nothing else. It always takes money at some point along the ladder.
Time will tell; he’s certainly not looked the real thing in F1 yet. A lucky podiums in an unusual situation isn’t really a pointer.
It’s more relevant that he can’t beat his teammate, himself a pretty ordinary F1 driver, whose main (only?) talent is nursing a set of tyres occasionally.
I think it’s sad that the likes of Ocon are sitting it out while the likes of these two have solid ‘contracts’. Particularly Stroll.
Tyre Smoke said:
DaveTheRave87 said:
Lance Stroll has more F1 podiums than Nico Hulkenberg.
Yes the money helps but he wouldn't be there if he wasn't quick enough.
But does he have more than his team mate?Yes the money helps but he wouldn't be there if he wasn't quick enough.
I actually think he's quick enough to deserve a place. I'd probably keep him around over a handful of other drivers on the grid this year. Not Ocon though.
There are 19 other seats in F1. If Ocon was so much better he would be in one of them unless, of course, everyone thinks all the drivers have their seats because of money and nothing else.
Maybe Kimi should step down. He's only doing it as a hobby after all. Why don't Lewis and Seb step down? They've won many championships so maybe they should give someone else a chance?
Maybe Kimi should step down. He's only doing it as a hobby after all. Why don't Lewis and Seb step down? They've won many championships so maybe they should give someone else a chance?
768 said:
Tyre Smoke said:
DaveTheRave87 said:
Lance Stroll has more F1 podiums than Nico Hulkenberg.
Yes the money helps but he wouldn't be there if he wasn't quick enough.
But does he have more than his team mate?Yes the money helps but he wouldn't be there if he wasn't quick enough.
I actually think he's quick enough to deserve a place. I'd probably keep him around over a handful of other drivers on the grid this year. Not Ocon though.
The question is..... Stroll or Ocon? for me it's Ocon every time!
Have a friend working at Racing Point and they all really like him! He is well regarded, looks after the car and says nice things about them. Money or not, he is the driver they want at the moment!
Also there are flashes of what a good driver he is, qualy for Monza in 2017 springs to mind when he out qualified the guy who everyone thinks should be in his seat!
I am not saying Ocon isn't fast or shouldn't be in a car, quite the opposite but Stroll has earned his seat now, money or not.
Ignoring last years dog of a car he was in and drawing a line under it, looking at this year where he is a reasonable car against a well regarded team mate..
Stroll beat Perez in Aus and his FL was faster than Perez - Stroll gains 7 positions, Perez loses 3
Perez beat Stroll in Bahrain and his FL was slower than Perez - They both gained 4 positions
Perez beat Stroll in China but his FL was faster than Perez - They both gained 4 positions
On the above, I can't really see why he is being berated to be honest. That said, Stroll needs to get on top of his Saturdays, if he can do this I think Perez is in trouble!
Also there are flashes of what a good driver he is, qualy for Monza in 2017 springs to mind when he out qualified the guy who everyone thinks should be in his seat!
I am not saying Ocon isn't fast or shouldn't be in a car, quite the opposite but Stroll has earned his seat now, money or not.
Ignoring last years dog of a car he was in and drawing a line under it, looking at this year where he is a reasonable car against a well regarded team mate..
Stroll beat Perez in Aus and his FL was faster than Perez - Stroll gains 7 positions, Perez loses 3
Perez beat Stroll in Bahrain and his FL was slower than Perez - They both gained 4 positions
Perez beat Stroll in China but his FL was faster than Perez - They both gained 4 positions
On the above, I can't really see why he is being berated to be honest. That said, Stroll needs to get on top of his Saturdays, if he can do this I think Perez is in trouble!
super7 said:
Perez is always going to speak well of him..... your not going to bite the hand that feeds you and he also has the upper hand over Stroll in performance terms. He'll quite happily go out each weekend, beat Stroll and then sing Stroll's praises....
The question is..... Stroll or Ocon? for me it's Ocon every time!
True - but Perez didn't have to say he thought Stroll was better than previous team mates.The question is..... Stroll or Ocon? for me it's Ocon every time!
Ocon or Grosjean?
Ocon or Kvyat?
Ocon or Kubica?
Ocon or whoever seems to have taken Gasly's place this year?
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