Zandvoort to replace Barcleona in 2020?
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Bullitt Five-Oh said:
It is ironic isn't it. They killed the final section leading onto the front straight in Barcelona because there's not enough run off when Baku consists mostly of such fast sections with 0 run off.
The amount of available runoff at a track is in inverse proportion to the amount of money the track has paid to F1 for hosting the race.Eric Mc said:
Bullitt Five-Oh said:
It is ironic isn't it. They killed the final section leading onto the front straight in Barcelona because there's not enough run off when Baku consists mostly of such fast sections with 0 run off.
The amount of available runoff at a track is in inverse proportion to the amount of money the track has paid to F1 for hosting the race.Money Is always the primary motivation.
For safety, facilities and run off areas, anyone fancy racing at Monaco ?
Did someone also mention overtaking opportunities ?
Edited by sparta6 on Monday 6th May 10:38
A lot of changes at Catalunya were also made for the bike racing which brings in a perhaps bigger crowd or did before Alonso was around, there were far bigger safety concerns there, and they were still not really helped with the worst chicane ever made.
Rider, drivers want these challenges and simply ask for a little space if they crash, destroying circuits is not the answer really, but you can see why it happens.
Rider, drivers want these challenges and simply ask for a little space if they crash, destroying circuits is not the answer really, but you can see why it happens.
It seems that El Presidente has made this announcement despite the fact that Sao Paulo still has a contract to host the race next year as well. I have read that nobody in Brazil is taking the announcement seriously, since there is no money in Rio either to build a new circuit or pay to host the race there. Apparently he also previously announced that an Indycar race would take place on a street circuit in Rio despite there being no deal in place with Indycar, and there has been as yet no confirmation from Liberty that any deal is done with Rio.
thegreenhell said:
It seems that El Presidente has made this announcement despite the fact that Sao Paulo still has a contract to host the race next year as well. I have read that nobody in Brazil is taking the announcement seriously, since there is no money in Rio either to build a new circuit or pay to host the race there. Apparently he also previously announced that an Indycar race would take place on a street circuit in Rio despite there being no deal in place with Indycar, and there has been as yet no confirmation from Liberty that any deal is done with Rio.
Exactly, I call total b
ks on this, Bolsonaro can say what he wants, build what he wants (he won't anyway) but the contract is still with Interlagos.Norfolkit said:
thegreenhell said:
It seems that El Presidente has made this announcement despite the fact that Sao Paulo still has a contract to host the race next year as well. I have read that nobody in Brazil is taking the announcement seriously, since there is no money in Rio either to build a new circuit or pay to host the race there. Apparently he also previously announced that an Indycar race would take place on a street circuit in Rio despite there being no deal in place with Indycar, and there has been as yet no confirmation from Liberty that any deal is done with Rio.
Exactly, I call total bks on this, Bolsonaro can say what he wants, build what he wants (he won't anyway) but the contract is still with Interlagos.Teddy Lop said:
saward had some interesting things to say recently, basically that liberty are building the F1 brand and less concerned about squeezing every last cent out at every opportunity, and they're really big on "destination cities"
And I'll believe this (the Rio story) when Liberty officially add it to the F1 calendarSpanish GP organisers don't think they're out of it yet.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/spanish-gp-conf...
I think the situation for 2020 is that we have two new races, Zandvoort and Hanoi, and Liberty have also said there won't be any additional races on the calendar, which means we have to lose two from somewhere. Germany are almost certainly gone now, as they struggle even to support one race every two years, so it's between Barcelona, Silverstone, Monza and Mexico as the four who haven't currently got contracts beyond 2019. Everyone is assuming we will lose Barcelona just because of the rumoured Zandvoort race date.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/spanish-gp-conf...
I think the situation for 2020 is that we have two new races, Zandvoort and Hanoi, and Liberty have also said there won't be any additional races on the calendar, which means we have to lose two from somewhere. Germany are almost certainly gone now, as they struggle even to support one race every two years, so it's between Barcelona, Silverstone, Monza and Mexico as the four who haven't currently got contracts beyond 2019. Everyone is assuming we will lose Barcelona just because of the rumoured Zandvoort race date.
thegreenhell said:
I think the situation for 2020 is that we have two new races, Zandvoort and Hanoi, and Liberty have also said there won't be any additional races on the calendar, which means we have to lose two from somewhere. Germany are almost certainly gone now, as they struggle even to support one race every two years, so it's between Barcelona, Silverstone, Monza and Mexico as the four who haven't currently got contracts beyond 2019. Everyone is assuming we will lose Barcelona just because of the rumoured Zandvoort race date.
Not going to lose Mexico, they must have South America / LATAM market. Plus of all the new tracks, I think it is a real success.Silverstone and Monza I worry about more.
Vaud said:
Not going to lose Mexico, they must have South America / LATAM market. Plus of all the new tracks, I think it is a real success.
Silverstone and Monza I worry about more.
IF Silverstone did lose F1 what would they do to fill the Silverstone Calendar ? Surely it has a very high fixed cost base and needs the draw of F1 to make it viable- unless of course it’s non profitable event but is a loss leader brining in fans to see other events during the yearSilverstone and Monza I worry about more.
Welshbeef said:
IF Silverstone did lose F1 what would they do to fill the Silverstone Calendar ? Surely it has a very high fixed cost base and needs the draw of F1 to make it viable- unless of course it’s non profitable event but is a loss leader brining in fans to see other events during the year
British GP has been a loss-maker for years, which is why they activated their contract break clause to try to negotiate a better deal. Their current contract has an escalator clause which made it more expensive for them every year.
Was at Zandvoort last weekend, and someone said that Chase Carey had been spotted the week previously.
Quite how they're going to turn it into an F1 track again beats me. Half the long circuit previously used prior to 1985 is buried under Centre Parcs, the current layout will be lapped in 1m 10 or less. The paddock is too small, and the pit complex won't cope. One permament grandstand, and one temporary one which has shrunk significantly in size since visiting last year.
The roads leading to the circuit are also probably not up to the job of catering for 100,000 Dutch Verstappen fans + everyone else.
Quite how they're going to turn it into an F1 track again beats me. Half the long circuit previously used prior to 1985 is buried under Centre Parcs, the current layout will be lapped in 1m 10 or less. The paddock is too small, and the pit complex won't cope. One permament grandstand, and one temporary one which has shrunk significantly in size since visiting last year.
The roads leading to the circuit are also probably not up to the job of catering for 100,000 Dutch Verstappen fans + everyone else.
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