Zandvoort to replace Barcleona in 2020?

Zandvoort to replace Barcleona in 2020?

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Eric Mc

106,107 posts

206 months

Monday 6th May
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Bullitt Five-Oh said:
It is ironic isn't it. They killed the final section leading onto the front straight in Barcelona because there's not enough run off when Baku consists mostly of such fast sections with 0 run off.
The amount of available runoff at a track is in inverse proportion to the amount of money the track has paid to F1 for hosting the race.

sparta6

1,197 posts

41 months

Monday 6th May
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Eric Mc said:
Bullitt Five-Oh said:
It is ironic isn't it. They killed the final section leading onto the front straight in Barcelona because there's not enough run off when Baku consists mostly of such fast sections with 0 run off.
The amount of available runoff at a track is in inverse proportion to the amount of money the track has paid to F1 for hosting the race.
F1 will trot out the same old safety rhetoric when it suits them.
Money Is always the primary motivation.
For safety, facilities and run off areas, anyone fancy racing at Monaco ?

Did someone also mention overtaking opportunities ? hehe


Edited by sparta6 on Monday 6th May 10:38

chunder27

1,871 posts

149 months

Monday 6th May
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A lot of changes at Catalunya were also made for the bike racing which brings in a perhaps bigger crowd or did before Alonso was around, there were far bigger safety concerns there, and they were still not really helped with the worst chicane ever made.

Rider, drivers want these challenges and simply ask for a little space if they crash, destroying circuits is not the answer really, but you can see why it happens.

ukaskew

4,881 posts

162 months

Thursday 9th May
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Last season at Interlagos now as well, gutted, one of my favourite tracks.

Building a purpose built circuit on a (presumably flat) military base in 7 months doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

generationx

2,175 posts

46 months

Thursday 9th May
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Yes it's a shame we lost Jacarapagua in the first place. Mind you the "old" Interlagos was pretty spectacular too.
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thegreenhell

5,470 posts

160 months

Thursday 9th May
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It seems that El Presidente has made this announcement despite the fact that Sao Paulo still has a contract to host the race next year as well. I have read that nobody in Brazil is taking the announcement seriously, since there is no money in Rio either to build a new circuit or pay to host the race there. Apparently he also previously announced that an Indycar race would take place on a street circuit in Rio despite there being no deal in place with Indycar, and there has been as yet no confirmation from Liberty that any deal is done with Rio.

Norfolkit

2,077 posts

131 months

Thursday 9th May
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thegreenhell said:
It seems that El Presidente has made this announcement despite the fact that Sao Paulo still has a contract to host the race next year as well. I have read that nobody in Brazil is taking the announcement seriously, since there is no money in Rio either to build a new circuit or pay to host the race there. Apparently he also previously announced that an Indycar race would take place on a street circuit in Rio despite there being no deal in place with Indycar, and there has been as yet no confirmation from Liberty that any deal is done with Rio.
Exactly, I call total bks on this, Bolsonaro can say what he wants, build what he wants (he won't anyway) but the contract is still with Interlagos.



JonChalk

1,709 posts

51 months

Saturday 11th May
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Crofty (for what it's worth) saying during FP3, that it's done deal - Spain out, Holland in next year.

Teddy Lop

1,142 posts

8 months

Saturday 11th May
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Norfolkit said:
thegreenhell said:
It seems that El Presidente has made this announcement despite the fact that Sao Paulo still has a contract to host the race next year as well. I have read that nobody in Brazil is taking the announcement seriously, since there is no money in Rio either to build a new circuit or pay to host the race there. Apparently he also previously announced that an Indycar race would take place on a street circuit in Rio despite there being no deal in place with Indycar, and there has been as yet no confirmation from Liberty that any deal is done with Rio.
Exactly, I call total bks on this, Bolsonaro can say what he wants, build what he wants (he won't anyway) but the contract is still with Interlagos.
saward had some interesting things to say recently, basically that liberty are building the F1 brand and less concerned about squeezing every last cent out at every opportunity, and they're really big on "destination cities"

thegreenhell

5,470 posts

160 months

Saturday 11th May
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Teddy Lop said:
saward had some interesting things to say recently, basically that liberty are building the F1 brand and less concerned about squeezing every last cent out at every opportunity, and they're really big on "destination cities"
And I'll believe this (the Rio story) when Liberty officially add it to the F1 calendar

coppice

5,188 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th May
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I am confllcted about this - I love Holland , and visit most years , and I went to the last Grand Prix at Zandvoort in 1985(Lauda's last ever win ) . Great circuit , bizarre setting in the dunes - Skegness with better chips and much taller women .

thegreenhell

5,470 posts

160 months

Sunday 12th May
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Spanish GP organisers don't think they're out of it yet.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/spanish-gp-conf...

I think the situation for 2020 is that we have two new races, Zandvoort and Hanoi, and Liberty have also said there won't be any additional races on the calendar, which means we have to lose two from somewhere. Germany are almost certainly gone now, as they struggle even to support one race every two years, so it's between Barcelona, Silverstone, Monza and Mexico as the four who haven't currently got contracts beyond 2019. Everyone is assuming we will lose Barcelona just because of the rumoured Zandvoort race date.

Vaud

32,038 posts

96 months

Sunday 12th May
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thegreenhell said:
I think the situation for 2020 is that we have two new races, Zandvoort and Hanoi, and Liberty have also said there won't be any additional races on the calendar, which means we have to lose two from somewhere. Germany are almost certainly gone now, as they struggle even to support one race every two years, so it's between Barcelona, Silverstone, Monza and Mexico as the four who haven't currently got contracts beyond 2019. Everyone is assuming we will lose Barcelona just because of the rumoured Zandvoort race date.
Not going to lose Mexico, they must have South America / LATAM market. Plus of all the new tracks, I think it is a real success.

Silverstone and Monza I worry about more.

Welshbeef

36,281 posts

139 months

Sunday 12th May
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Vaud said:
Not going to lose Mexico, they must have South America / LATAM market. Plus of all the new tracks, I think it is a real success.

Silverstone and Monza I worry about more.
IF Silverstone did lose F1 what would they do to fill the Silverstone Calendar ? Surely it has a very high fixed cost base and needs the draw of F1 to make it viable- unless of course it’s non profitable event but is a loss leader brining in fans to see other events during the year

thegreenhell

5,470 posts

160 months

Sunday 12th May
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Welshbeef said:
IF Silverstone did lose F1 what would they do to fill the Silverstone Calendar ? Surely it has a very high fixed cost base and needs the draw of F1 to make it viable- unless of course it’s non profitable event but is a loss leader brining in fans to see other events during the year
British GP has been a loss-maker for years, which is why they activated their contract break clause to try to negotiate a better deal. Their current contract has an escalator clause which made it more expensive for them every year.

mat205125

15,537 posts

154 months

Monday 13th May
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That's a simple road trip away for British fans. Good stuff!!

Always pleased to hear an announcement of a race planned to happen on a proper race track, and not just another far off capital city to entertain the corporate hangers on.

Road America too please!!!!

REALIST123

11,124 posts

94 months

Monday 13th May
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Asked to confirm the deal, F1 boss Chase Carey told BBC Sport: "I don't preview announcements. We'll announce it when we announce it on Tuesday." scratchchin

Confirmed then..........

andrewcliffe

424 posts

165 months

Monday 13th May
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Was at Zandvoort last weekend, and someone said that Chase Carey had been spotted the week previously.

Quite how they're going to turn it into an F1 track again beats me. Half the long circuit previously used prior to 1985 is buried under Centre Parcs, the current layout will be lapped in 1m 10 or less. The paddock is too small, and the pit complex won't cope. One permament grandstand, and one temporary one which has shrunk significantly in size since visiting last year.

The roads leading to the circuit are also probably not up to the job of catering for 100,000 Dutch Verstappen fans + everyone else.

FourWheelDrift

76,762 posts

225 months

Monday 13th May
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REALIST123 said:
Asked to confirm the deal, F1 boss Chase Carey told BBC Sport: "I don't preview announcements. We'll announce it when we announce it on Tuesday." scratchchin

Confirmed then..........
And he was probably wearing a Zandvoort 2020 t-shirt and cap when he said it.

Deesee

2,100 posts

24 months

Tuesday 14th May
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It’s on

https://mobile.twitter.com/F1/status/1128223453532...

Quick Eurostar or road trip to Amsterdam!