Zandvoort to replace Barcleona in 2020?

Zandvoort to replace Barcleona in 2020?

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thegreenhell

5,486 posts

160 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Some details of the layout changes required - https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/22791

FourWheelDrift

76,804 posts

225 months

Tuesday 14th May
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thegreenhell said:
Some details of the layout changes required - https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/22791
The gravel is the one thing they should keep.

sparta6

1,197 posts

41 months

Tuesday 14th May
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FourWheelDrift said:
The gravel is the one thing they should keep.
Agree !

Sixpackpert

3,807 posts

155 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Eric Mc said:
Cold said:
Did anyone actually believe that Donington was going host an F1 race during that fiasco?
Donington did - and that is all that matters.
And thankfully it was rescued after the balls up it was. Looking forward to the truck racing again this year!!

chunder27

1,877 posts

149 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Donington didn't it is an inanimate object. it was nearly put beyond repair. by....

The cretin Gillett did and he nearly drive it under the absolute crook.

Only through fans and Wheatcroft did it survive.

Meantime Gilett is trying to sell renewable energy through numerous failed companies to people. Should be put against a wall in my opinion
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SmoothCriminal

2,384 posts

140 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Wow looks even worse than I thought.

Ironic that it will precede Monaco that's two gp's on the trot the winner will be decided on the Saturday.

https://youtu.be/Roznaae7J5M

coppice

5,190 posts

85 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Sixpackpert said:
Eric Mc said:
Cold said:
Did anyone actually believe that Donington was going host an F1 race during that fiasco?
Donington did - and that is all that matters.
And thankfully it was rescued after the balls up it was. Looking forward to the truck racing again this year!!
I think it needs to be clarified that Donington's GP (in the modern era) was under Tom, Wheatcroft's custodianship back in '93 , whereas the Gillett fiasco resulted in nothing more than a scale model of the Somme ,1916 spec. It is improving , but a shadow of what it was , with its huge run off areas and , generally, terrible spectating compared to its original version .

I have some fears of a similar nature for Zandvoort, but having seen Lauda win the last GP there (great view from Scheivlak ) I want to return . And I rejoice at a 'new ' Grand Prix being held in a country with not only a rich racing heritage , but with a huge following for a current driver - a contrast to some of the grubbier regimes F1 has consorted with of late , with no racing history , next to no spectators and ghastly 'governments '

Deesee

2,126 posts

24 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Well, they are looking to bank the final corner to allow DRS through the Curve, creating a 1km flat zone to Tarzan (which they want to add camber to as well), being a short track we should see at least 70 laps of that!

Eric Mc

106,130 posts

206 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Is there a problem with not enough of a DRS Zone as it currently stands?

This is what happens - the track starts to be changed to suit current F1 demands - and once the money has been spent - F1 walks away - and the track is left in a worse state than before.

Vaud

32,063 posts

96 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Is there a clear reason why they picked Zandvoort rather than Assen?

Deesee

2,126 posts

24 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Eric Mc said:
Is there a problem with not enough of a DRS Zone as it currently stands?

This is what happens - the track starts to be changed to suit current F1 demands - and once the money has been spent - F1 walks away - and the track is left in a worse state than before.
The ideal DRS zone is 600/800 meters (I have a charlie whiting video somewhere explaining this), but then you need the activation line say at least 150m from the corner so the zone in this case (assuming a 100m break zone to Tarzan) so the zone would be say 400 meters, so a little short.

If they moved the activation to after turn 12, and enabled them to go flat through 13/14 (anyone lifting would lose DRS), you should have overtaking and heavy breaking into turn 1, with additional camber into turn one, we should have multiple lines, so good side by side racing.

The Circuit owners are fully onboard with this, don't forget part of the old circuit is now a centre parcs, the visitor numbers will be up there with Silverstone 300k+ over the weekend, I'm sure they are not doing this out of nostalgia, Max will be about for 10+ years its a money spinner.

& Im sure one of F1's core major sponsors would really like a home GP!

Vaud

32,063 posts

96 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Deesee said:
The Circuit owners are fully onboard with this, don't forget part of the old circuit is now a centre parcs, the visitor numbers will be up there with Silverstone 300k+ over the weekend, I'm sure they are not doing this out of nostalgia, Max will be about for 10+ years its a money spinner.
Plus if they put enough trains on, they can sell it as a package with Amsterdam. Only 30mins connection.

Arguably better package than Silverstone where there is nothing much nearby, and no trains.

Deesee

2,126 posts

24 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Vaud said:
Deesee said:
The Circuit owners are fully onboard with this, don't forget part of the old circuit is now a centre parcs, the visitor numbers will be up there with Silverstone 300k+ over the weekend, I'm sure they are not doing this out of nostalgia, Max will be about for 10+ years its a money spinner.
Plus if they put enough trains on, they can sell it as a package with Amsterdam. Only 30mins connection.

Arguably better package than Silverstone where there is nothing much nearby, and no trains.
Exactly, High Speed rail from London, Paris, Germany & Switzerland, Massive Hub Airport, plenty of hotel rooms for all budgets in the Dam.

Eurostar from where I am is £39 and 4 hours, (or 4 hours drive from calais, and to be fair Spa and Hockenheim are about 5), No brainer for me, for a F1 weekend next yr.

Vaud

32,063 posts

96 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Deesee said:
Exactly, High Speed rail from London, Paris, Germany & Switzerland, Massive Hub Airport, plenty of hotel rooms for all budgets in the Dam.

Eurostar from where I am is £39 and 4 hours, (or 4 hours drive from calais, and to be fair Spa and Hockenheim are about 5), No brainer for me, for a F1 weekend next yr.
I can get a ferry from Hull and make a mini-holiday / duty free trip out of it as well...

Deesee

2,126 posts

24 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Vaud said:
I can get a ferry from Hull and make a mini-holiday / duty free trip out of it as well...
That’s a great shout if you live in that part of the world, avoids M25 etc..

We will need a pistonheads marquee..

Vaud

32,063 posts

96 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Deesee said:
That’s a great shout if you live in that part of the world, avoids M25 etc..

We will need a pistonheads marquee..
Plus I like boats and hate flying.

thegreenhell

5,486 posts

160 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Vaud said:
I can get a ferry from Hull...
The glamorous jet-set lifestyle of the F1 fan...

coppice

5,190 posts

85 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Bin DRS and don't bugger around with circuits purely to enable this daft device to work . It really shouldn't be necessary at all, but F1 has its head so far up its bloated corporate arse that it cannot see anything but its own self importance .

Vaud

32,063 posts

96 months

Wednesday 15th May
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thegreenhell said:
The glamorous jet-set lifestyle of the F1 fan...
wink

I really don't like flying... and I do a lot of it for work.

Deesee

2,126 posts

24 months

Wednesday 15th May
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coppice said:
Bin DRS and don't bugger around with circuits purely to enable this daft device to work . It really shouldn't be necessary at all, but F1 has its head so far up its bloated corporate arse that it cannot see anything but its own self importance .
Track won’t make the grade without changes.. so changes will happen..

DRS is the cheapest solution to overtaking.. I’d you can think of anything better value send Ross an email.