Gasley - What's gone wrong?

Gasley - What's gone wrong?

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geeks

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4,480 posts

83 months

Thursday 27th June
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Having watched the guy through GP2 and early F1 career, I like many felt he had an exciting future and when confirmed to go up against Max I was hoping for a better run for him but it just seems to be getting worse.. Leads the question, is he is as good as thought or was Brendon Hartley just that bad that Gasly looked that much better?

Its a shame and I can see a Red Bull switchero coming although I am a fan of Kyvat who I think deserves a chance at redemption in a Red Bull.

Thoughts?

Edited by geeks on Thursday 27th June 14:24

Europa1

8,592 posts

132 months

Thursday 27th June
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You could at least spell the guy's name correctly.

Supersam83

290 posts

89 months

Thursday 27th June
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I think another *bad race at their (Red Bull's) home track will likely be the end of him at the main Red Bull team.

*At least 6th place at the minimum

Andy S15

356 posts

71 months

Thursday 27th June
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I think he's in the middle of a perfect storm. He lost confidence right at the start of the year with a big testing crash, this years RB seems a bit of a tricky car to extract the best from and he's up against a generational talent in Max. Add all that together wrapped up nicely with a big dose of pressure, media attention, questioning and strong drivers in the feeder team and he's really in a difficult position.

The lad is absolutely talented, he has proven that, but he needs an environment where he can relax a little and be more natural. That isn't really possible right now.

geeks

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4,480 posts

83 months

Thursday 27th June
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Europa1 said:
You could at least spell the guy's name correctly.
You know what is worse? I actually checked the spelling and still got it wrong hehe

Supersam83 said:
I think another *bad race at their (Red Bull's) home track will likely be the end of him at the main Red Bull team.

*At least 6th place at the minimum
I am inclined to agree, a shame, but Red Bull have to be vicious while they aren't winning races and championships, points hauls are all they care about and if one car is scoring all the points, something has to change.

Andy S15 said:
I think he's in the middle of a perfect storm. He lost confidence right at the start of the year with a big testing crash, this years RB seems a bit of a tricky car to extract the best from and he's up against a generational talent in Max. Add all that together wrapped up nicely with a big dose of pressure, media attention, questioning and strong drivers in the feeder team and he's really in a difficult position.

The lad is absolutely talented, he has proven that, but he needs an environment where he can relax a little and be more natural. That isn't really possible right now.
Last bit is what interests me in your post, he isn't a rookie anymore and is expected to deliver, however the team still need to get behind him and get him ontop of the car but I guess with a junior team they dont actually have to bother with that, you sink or swim?

Andy S15

356 posts

71 months

Thursday 27th June
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geeks said:
Last bit is what interests me in your post, he isn't a rookie anymore and is expected to deliver, however the team still need to get behind him and get him ontop of the car but I guess with a junior team they dont actually have to bother with that, you sink or swim?
Environment both internal and external - a lot of which is due to the luck he's had. I'm not just saying that RB isn't providing the right environment at the moment, but all the other elements adding on top of that too. I agree, with a team like RB you shouldn't need months and months of settling, if you truly are a world class driver. If you don't perform, you get replaced. Gasly is flirting heavily with that fine line at the moment.

Frimley111R

9,851 posts

178 months

Thursday 27th June
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He's good but RB have had better options in recent years, like Verne for example. I think it's too soon for Gasly and Max is just making it look worse. I know it can be a case of sink or sswin but he maybe needs a bit time in the paddling pool

SturdyHSV

6,391 posts

111 months

Thursday 27th June
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Andy S15 said:
I think he's in the middle of a perfect storm. He lost confidence right at the start of the year with a big testing crash, this years RB seems a bit of a tricky car to extract the best from and he's up against a generational talent in Max. Add all that together wrapped up nicely with a big dose of pressure, media attention, questioning and strong drivers in the feeder team and he's really in a difficult position.

The lad is absolutely talented, he has proven that, but he needs an environment where he can relax a little and be more natural. That isn't really possible right now.
This certainly seems to be the theme (two big crashes in testing don't forget), a lack of confidence both in himself and in the car.

It certainly isn't 'helped' by Max's form currently as he is perhaps making the car look a little better than it is.

His form looked to be improving bar some misfortune (Baku driveshaft failure, Barcelona large chunk of rubber stuck in front wing badly affected aero performance) but France was a big disappointment, hopefully he finds something in Austria

Kraken

1,072 posts

144 months

Thursday 27th June
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He wouldn't be the first who has excelled in everything he has driven apart from F1 and won't be the last.

Mr_Thyroid

1,729 posts

171 months

Thursday 27th June
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I don't see any sense in swapping him out before the end of the year. To drop him mid-season would make that 2nd RedBull seat look a bit toxic and pile enormous pressure on any replacement.

Both Torro Rosso's seem to be doing a good job without really pulling up trees - they may have a stellar drive in them this year but haven't done it yet.

slipstream 1985

6,481 posts

123 months

Thursday 27th June
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Part of me wonders if red bull would be ahead of ferrari if danni was still there.

Mr Pointy

3,958 posts

103 months

Thursday 27th June
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Mr_Thyroid said:
I don't see any sense in swapping him out before the end of the year. To drop him mid-season would make that 2nd RedBull seat look a bit toxic and pile enormous pressure on any replacement.

Both Torro Rosso's seem to be doing a good job without really pulling up trees - they may have a stellar drive in them this year but haven't done it yet.
He's not bringing the points in. Points make prize money

TheDeuce

2,552 posts

10 months

Thursday 27th June
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slipstream 1985 said:
Part of me wonders if red bull would be ahead of ferrari if danni was still there.
Almost without doubt imo. He never looked to be the lesser driver to me. Different strengths to Max perhaps, but overall they were often racing very close to one another and the results were very comparable. If Ricciardo hadn't suffered such appalling reliability issues perhaps he could have had ended last years season ahead of Max - he suffered 8 retirements to Max's 2...

Both won two GP's last year.

Actually I just checked - so far this year Max has 100 points, Gasly 37. If DR was driving for them and got around the same points as Max, it would be around 200 in total. Ferrari currently have 198 total, about the same.. But that's not the full story. This season there are only 5 drivers at the top, if DR was with RB then it would be 6 drivers at the top, and Ferrari would surely have lost some of their current points with a 6th driver in the same battles each race.

It's a shame he isn't there. It would have made this season much more entertaining to see Ferrari battling for second in the constructors. As it is, with whatever Gasly's problems are, it's a foregone conclusion. But I think in reality, whatever the points, it's fair to say the Red Bull is the equal opposite of Ferrari this season - they did a very good job.

DanielSan

14,282 posts

111 months

Thursday 27th June
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slipstream 1985 said:
Part of me wonders if red bull would be ahead of ferrari if danni was still there.
Almost certainly, the Red Bull is capable of beating the Ferrari as Max has proved, with a driver in the second car performing as he should be Ferrari would look even worse this year.

ELUSIVEJIM

6,236 posts

95 months

Thursday 27th June
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IMO all he needs in one good race weekend. He really is up against it and having Verstappen as your teammate doesn't help.

It's his first year in the Red Bull. I do hope he improves and gets another year at least.

I honestly think Red Bull might look outside their own drivers in 2020 if Gasly doesn't improve.

TheDeuce

2,552 posts

10 months

Thursday 27th June
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
IMO all he needs in one good race weekend. He really is up against it and having Verstappen as your teammate doesn't help.

It's his first year in the Red Bull. I do hope he improves and gets another year at least.

I honestly think Red Bull might look outside their own drivers in 2020 if Gasly doesn't improve.
I think they're genuinely trying to help him improve and grow in to the car this year - and there has been notable improvement. It's up to him to dig deep though, he basically has to be at least close to Max by the time the driver market gets underway towards the end of this season. I doubt they'll entertain the idea slow progress beyond one season.

DanielSan said:
Almost certainly, the Red Bull is capable of beating the Ferrari as Max has proved, with a driver in the second car performing as he should be Ferrari would look even worse this year.
Ferrari will be aware of that, so too will Red Bull. So they will know that next season if they get an awesome driver in the second car, they will have an excellent chance of coming second as a constructor in 2020. I imagine that would justify a budget increase to secure any such driver... No driver that wants to drive for them is unobtainable even if they are contracted to another team, there is generally a cost option to leave and if another team will pay off that cost, they can have the driver. That puts Vettel/Ricciardo/Russell - basically any proven fast driver in a lesser car - on the table. Depends how much they want to become team number two.

slipstream 1985

6,481 posts

123 months

Monday 1st July
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Lapped by your teammate when at turn 2? he was right behind him... This is the man who had used the honda engine all last season and should have found it an easy jump.

Supersam83

290 posts

89 months

Monday 1st July
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Surely end of the line for Gasly...

Ahead of your teammate on the 1st lap and finished 1 lap down at the finish line around a second per lap slower over the whole grand prix.

Would be interesting to see Kyvat back in the main team alongside Verstappen.

I bet Red Bull are kicking themselves about losing Carlos Sainz Jr and I actually think he would be driving at the same level as Verstappen if he was given the chance instead of Max to move up to the main Red Bull team back in 2016.

TheDeuce

2,552 posts

10 months

Monday 1st July
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slipstream 1985 said:
Lapped by your teammate when at turn 2? he was right behind him... This is the man who had used the honda engine all last season and should have found it an easy jump.
  • Lapped by your team mate who also proved the same car could win the GP.
To be fair the change to a red bull is much more about their car design than PU. But then, also to be fair, his drive yesterday was unforgivably, awkwardly slow and there must come a point at which everyone has to stop being polite about that fact...

MB140

1,722 posts

47 months

Monday 1st July
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TheDeuce said:
slipstream 1985 said:
Lapped by your teammate when at turn 2? he was right behind him... This is the man who had used the honda engine all last season and should have found it an easy jump.
  • Lapped by your team mate who also proved the same car could win the GP.
To be fair the change to a red bull is much more about their car design than PU. But then, also to be fair, his drive yesterday was unforgivably, awkwardly slow and there must come a point at which everyone has to stop being polite about that fact...
Whilst I agree it doesn’t look good for him and I don’t think he has long left in the team performing like that the 1 second per lap will be skewed slightly. Max was given maximum everything to try and pass the Ferrari, he most certainly will have been trundling around in the lowest power setting trying to save engine mileage.