Official 2019 British Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2019 British Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

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DanielSan

18,716 posts

166 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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TheDeuce said:
Nice way of visualising it that.

Interesting to see that by Summer break Hamilton could in theory hold a points lead over both Ferrari drivers combined. In terms of psychological advantage that's pretty brutal.
More worryingly he could be 50 points clear of Bottas by the summer break. If that's the case just give him the trophy and let everyone emtest for next year.

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Jasandjules said:
DeltonaS said:
Sorry, but missed the part were the fight for the lead between the two Merc drivers got really exciting.
The first 4 laps...
In fairness, everyone missed one of the really exciting moments as the idiot director decided a crowd shot was the one to go for at that moment.

Jasandjules

69,788 posts

228 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Europa1 said:
In fairness, everyone missed one of the really exciting moments as the idiot director decided a crowd shot was the one to go for at that moment.
I did think a lovely shot of banking was also worthy of view whilst the commentators yelled at the action........

mattikake

5,057 posts

198 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Too busy trying to get shots of the crowd celebrating. They didn't need to do that. You could hear us.

Which makes be ask; why don't they have grandstand mics like they do pitch mics for footy? There's quite an atmosphere at races that viewers rarely get to hear. Now the cars are quieter, they should milk this.

TheDeuce

21,129 posts

65 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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DanielSan said:
TheDeuce said:
Nice way of visualising it that.

Interesting to see that by Summer break Hamilton could in theory hold a points lead over both Ferrari drivers combined. In terms of psychological advantage that's pretty brutal.
More worryingly he could be 50 points clear of Bottas by the summer break. If that's the case just give him the trophy and let everyone emtest for next year.
Fine by me! Bottas is a very solid driver. But Lewis has the extra few % - Bottas couldn't shake him on Sunday, no chance of pulling out a lead.

At this stage, I'm very happy to see Lewis win this year and next, take his record equalling 7th WDC. He's so close, might as well wish to see it happen now. Beyond that point, I might revert to hoping to see someone else 'have a go' at some point wink

TheDeuce

21,129 posts

65 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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mattikake said:
Too busy trying to get shots of the crowd celebrating. They didn't need to do that. You could hear us.

Which makes be ask; why don't they have grandstand mics like they do pitch mics for footy? There's quite an atmosphere at races that viewers rarely get to hear. Now the cars are quieter, they should milk this.
I'd say there is a significant chance that the Director is required to get a certain frequency/duration of such shots - Liberty want to show packed grandstands and happy people enjoying the spectacle (that they own).

That's not to say that on the day he didn't choose some pretty weird occasions to switch feeds. It was very frustrating watching from home!

Deesee

8,327 posts

82 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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TheDeuce said:
DanielSan said:
TheDeuce said:
Nice way of visualising it that.

Interesting to see that by Summer break Hamilton could in theory hold a points lead over both Ferrari drivers combined. In terms of psychological advantage that's pretty brutal.
More worryingly he could be 50 points clear of Bottas by the summer break. If that's the case just give him the trophy and let everyone emtest for next year.
Fine by me! Bottas is a very solid driver. But Lewis has the extra few % - Bottas couldn't shake him on Sunday, no chance of pulling out a lead.

At this stage, I'm very happy to see Lewis win this year and next, take his record equalling 7th WDC. He's so close, might as well wish to see it happen now. Beyond that point, I might revert to hoping to see someone else 'have a go' at some point wink
Lewis is averaging 24.7 points per race, he is on track to break 500 points in a season.

thegreenhell

15,023 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Deesee said:
Lewis is averaging 24.7 points per race, he is on track to break 500 points in a season.
22.3

He'd need to average 25.18 for the rest of the season to crack 500, basically winning every race with a few fastest laps thrown in .

Deesee

8,327 posts

82 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
Lewis is averaging 24.7 points per race, he is on track to break 500 points in a season.
22.3

He'd need to average 25.18 for the rest of the season to crack 500, basically winning every race with a few fastest laps thrown in .
I was just questioning my self, for some reason I thought we had had 9 races not 10!

Sorry chaps.. I got excited!

zebra

4,555 posts

213 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Derek Smith said:
zebra said:
REALIST123 said:

Clearly not.

“Bottas admits tyre choice at first pit stop was a “mistake”

2019 British Grand Prix Posted on
14th July 2019, 21:00 | Written by Dieter Rencken and Keith Collantine

Valtteri Bottas says his choice of tyre at his first pit stop was a “mistake” because it locked him into a two-stop strategy.

Bottas, who led the opening laps of the race, was the first of the two Mercedes drivers to pit. He put on a second set of medium compound tyres, which ensured he would have to make a second pit stop later in the race.
At that point he was trying to stay close enough to Lewis Hamilton to ensure his team mate came out of the pits behind him.

“After my first stop I felt like it was under control,” said Bottas. “I was following the gap closely, the pit stop gap I had to Lewis, and I was just waiting for him to stop and obviously the Safety Car got him ahead of me at that point.


“I was stuck into a two-stop at that stage, because we stopped for the medium again from medium tyres so it meant anyway I had to stop in the end, which was a mistake from our side. A two-stop, we thought, would be by far the fastest but actually one stop was possible as well. Not quite ideal but one of these days.”

Bottas, who has fallen 39 points behind his team mate at the top of the points standings, drew some consolation by Mercedes’ one-two finish after their tough weekend in Austria.

“At least it felt like the pace was good today and yesterday so there are positives to take,” he said. “Also, really, really happy for us as a team, getting maximum points and it’s pretty impressive the gap to the teams behind now.”

He also prevailed in a hard-fought battle with Hamilton in the opening laps of the race. “we had good racing at the beginning and I really enjoyed it,” he said.

“That’s why we are here, to race hard and fair. I’m sure Toto [Wolff, team principal] didn’t maybe enjoy it as much as we did but it doesn’t matter.”
........so Hamilton decided to go long for his first stop saving himself a pitstop. That would have likely produced the same result, so the safety car, whilst lucky, was still an irrelevance as Hamilton would have passed Bottas during his second pitstop.
The 'mistake' wasn't the tyre choice but the early stop I think. It did indeed cost Bottas the race. It seemed strangely early and my thought at the time was the lock-up in the second(?) lap must have damaged his tyre, perhaps causing vibrations that could harm the car. Otherwise, it seemed a tactical error.

If it was a tactical early stop then surely the choice would have been hards, and fingers crossed that they'd have lasted.

The quote makes it clear that Hamilton had it in the bag from Bottas' stop, so the SC did not rob us of an exciting battle. It was already over.
Absolutely agree with last point.

Teddy Lop

8,262 posts

66 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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TheDeuce said:
mattikake said:
Too busy trying to get shots of the crowd celebrating. They didn't need to do that. You could hear us.

Which makes be ask; why don't they have grandstand mics like they do pitch mics for footy? There's quite an atmosphere at races that viewers rarely get to hear. Now the cars are quieter, they should milk this.
I'd say there is a significant chance that the Director is required to get a certain frequency/duration of such shots - Liberty want to show packed grandstands and happy people enjoying the spectacle (that they own).

That's not to say that on the day he didn't choose some pretty weird occasions to switch feeds. It was very frustrating watching from home!
The director appears to have been briefed that he's making a race car themed light viewing show or something rather than covering a live sporting event for dedicated fans wanting to know exactly whats happening.

It is pretty dire.

thegreenhell

15,023 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Teddy Lop said:
The director appears to have been briefed that he's making a race car themed light viewing show or something rather than covering a live sporting event for dedicated fans wanting to know exactly whats happening.

It is pretty dire.
I rarely watch football, but I can't imagine the TV director going to a crowd shot just as someone takes a shot on goal, only cutting back to the action as the crowd gasps and the ball rebounds away, to see the keeper picking himself up of the floor. Was it a miraculous save, or did it beat him but hit the post? Now we will never know...

TheDeuce

21,129 posts

65 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Teddy Lop said:
TheDeuce said:
mattikake said:
Too busy trying to get shots of the crowd celebrating. They didn't need to do that. You could hear us.

Which makes be ask; why don't they have grandstand mics like they do pitch mics for footy? There's quite an atmosphere at races that viewers rarely get to hear. Now the cars are quieter, they should milk this.
I'd say there is a significant chance that the Director is required to get a certain frequency/duration of such shots - Liberty want to show packed grandstands and happy people enjoying the spectacle (that they own).

That's not to say that on the day he didn't choose some pretty weird occasions to switch feeds. It was very frustrating watching from home!
The director appears to have been briefed that he's making a race car themed light viewing show or something rather than covering a live sporting event for dedicated fans wanting to know exactly whats happening.

It is pretty dire.
Pretty much. This entire season the the direction has been off. I started a thread about it post Melbourne which fizzled out, but I notice as each race is broadcast more and more people are questioning what is going on with the coverage this year!


TobyTR

1,068 posts

145 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Derek Smith said:
Not to mention a different season.

The total dominance of Mercedes is such that they win every race. Oh! apart from the previous one of course. The Mercs elsewhere were all over the rest of the field with lots in hand we are told. Except Baku of course, where the Ferrari, in the hands of a rookie driver, had the win on a plate until the engine decided to play up.

We've had three great races this season. That's three. Any season with three great races in it would have been called a great one, and we've got half of this one still to go, with RB on the up, Ferrari with unrealised potential and, on top of all of that, we are seeing one of the best three drivers in F1 that I've ever seen not only show his stuff every race, but, unlikely though it sounds, improve.

Fans in the future will look back at this season and say they were sorry to have missed it live.

Anyone who can moan about the state of GP racing at the moment really needs to go into a darkened room and think about their attitudes. Or be locked in one, away from F1 forums.

The only things to criticise this season is the TV director and Jordan. Apart from them, this is great.
Sorry Derek, but I don't think fans will look back on this season and say they were sorry to have missed it live - far from it.

Lets not forget this is still the most dominant 1-2 season in 31 years, and the fact we can still 100% predict the podium every race that it will consist of Merc/Ferrari/Red Bull. Much more often than not, two Mercs and one Ferrari or RB....

That is not a successful season - that is a failure in the system and regulations to allow it to get to that level of predictability and lack of competition.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, Austria and Silverstone were decent and entertaining, but that was more down to the battles between Max, Charles and Seb and the controversial moves.

What makes a great season is competition (fight for the championships), unpredictability and entertainment.

Right now, we only just have entertainment at a select handful of races. Both championships are a foregone conclusion and the podiums are predictable. That's not the hallmark of a potential great season.

Teddy Lop

8,262 posts

66 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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thegreenhell said:
I rarely watch football, but I can't imagine the TV director going to a crowd shot just as someone takes a shot on goal, only cutting back to the action as the crowd gasps and the ball rebounds away, to see the keeper picking himself up of the floor. Was it a miraculous save, or did it beat him but hit the post? Now we will never know...
that's a pretty good analogy actually

TheDeuce said:
Pretty much. This entire season the the direction has been off. I started a thread about it post Melbourne which fizzled out, but I notice as each race is broadcast more and more people are questioning what is going on with the coverage this year!
is there any point in an online petition type thing of any kind? Hustle for some social media behind it, hassle sky (yes they don't direct the feed but they handle it and they sure as hell charge us for it). I'm reading a lot of pi55ed off complaining....

RichB

51,383 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Teddy Lop said:
... hassle sky (yes they don't direct the feed but they handle it and they sure as hell charge us for it)...
I think you'd be better hassling Liberty F1 because I assume they manage the race day feed worldwide.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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I actually missed the fact Grosjean and Magnussen coming together gave them both a puncture.

Not very bright of either.

Giovinazzi's issue was a right rear puncture according to a few outlets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwS8rNEm-Us

Also

Verstappen And Leclerc's Epic Silverstone Battle | 2019 British Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmvZyC6s_Wk

Mr Pointy

11,112 posts

158 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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TobyTR said:
Sorry Derek, but I don't think fans will look back on this season and say they were sorry to have missed it live - far from it.

Lets not forget this is still the most dominant 1-2 season in 31 years, and the fact we can still 100% predict the podium every race that it will consist of Merc/Ferrari/Red Bull. Much more often than not, two Mercs and one Ferrari or RB....

That is not a successful season - that is a failure in the system and regulations to allow it to get to that level of predictability and lack of competition.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, Austria and Silverstone were decent and entertaining, but that was more down to the battles between Max, Charles and Seb and the controversial moves.

What makes a great season is competition (fight for the championships), unpredictability and entertainment.

Right now, we only just have entertainment at a select handful of races. Both championships are a foregone conclusion and the podiums are predictable. That's not the hallmark of a potential great season.
Can you nominate a season (or two) which you feel satisfy your criteria for bring sucessful?

TheDeuce

21,129 posts

65 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Teddy Lop said:
is there any point in an online petition type thing of any kind? Hustle for some social media behind it, hassle sky (yes they don't direct the feed but they handle it and they sure as hell charge us for it). I'm reading a lot of pi55ed off complaining....
Doubt it's worthwhile at all and not something I would get involved in tbh. Liberty are clearly trying a different presentation. I'm sure it wasn't a flippant decision and must be intended to contribute to where they want the impression of the sport to go overall. I'm equally sure they will be monitoring feedback and seeing what fly's and what does not.

Personally I hope they take a u-turn on the mid-race location and crowd shots.. But the truth is it could be working for them in some way that we can't appreciate. I work on several TV shows, some of which the media will forever criticise for having 'weak' segments that should just be dropped. Behind the scenes sometimes a different opinion is formed and for good reason.

Whilst I'm trying to be reasonable and understanding however.. As I say, personally I don't like what they're doing smile

TheDeuce

21,129 posts

65 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Mr Pointy said:
TobyTR said:
Sorry Derek, but I don't think fans will look back on this season and say they were sorry to have missed it live - far from it.

Lets not forget this is still the most dominant 1-2 season in 31 years, and the fact we can still 100% predict the podium every race that it will consist of Merc/Ferrari/Red Bull. Much more often than not, two Mercs and one Ferrari or RB....

That is not a successful season - that is a failure in the system and regulations to allow it to get to that level of predictability and lack of competition.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, Austria and Silverstone were decent and entertaining, but that was more down to the battles between Max, Charles and Seb and the controversial moves.

What makes a great season is competition (fight for the championships), unpredictability and entertainment.

Right now, we only just have entertainment at a select handful of races. Both championships are a foregone conclusion and the podiums are predictable. That's not the hallmark of a potential great season.
Can you nominate a season (or two) which you feel satisfy your criteria for bring sucessful?
There is no such season.

And whilst there may not be a competition for the championship, the championship is just one result. Right now the most fascinating story is Red Bull arguably out-performing Ferrari, at least so far as the cars are concerned, Gasly has let the points side down a little... But looking away from the points the reality is Max has been out-performing either Ferrari driver. that's a Red Bull besting a Ferrari in a season where Ferrari were supposed to be battling Mercedes. Then we have the struggle of Renault, the first signs of resurgence at McLaren, the great tragedy that is Williams..

If you look at what's actually playing out other than Mercedes dominance, it's been a very interesting season. And even if you are only capable of paying attention to whoever wins, at least the current dominant team and driver are going above and beyond a typical dominant spell - they're at the point of breaking records each weekend and on the cusp of breaking certain records that many of us doubted we would ever see broken. At least if they're being boring, they're managing to be boring in the most spectacular way possible wink