F1 has become farcical hasnt it
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Sunday's race wasnt decided by who made the best car or who was the fastest driver but who managed the tyres best. So the teams make the best car they can and its then put onto tyres that are deliberately faulty. And the teams are forced to use two of them. To enable overtaking there is the false arrangement of aero. Why dont they just tell the leading driver to slow so that the following driver gets to overtake - it would save on spoiler costs? Then they make the competition unfair by allowing bottomless budgets for three teams and forcing others to scrabble for money.
Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
bordseye said:
Sunday's race wasnt decided by who made the best car or who was the fastest driver but who managed the tyres best. So the teams make the best car they can and its then put onto tyres that are deliberately faulty. And the teams are forced to use two of them. To enable overtaking there is the false arrangement of aero. Why dont they just tell the leading driver to slow so that the following driver gets to overtake - it would save on spoiler costs? Then they make the competition unfair by allowing bottomless budgets for three teams and forcing others to scrabble for money.
Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
I'm going to be generous and award this rant 2 out of 10.Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
bordseye said:
Sunday's race wasnt decided by who made the best car or who was the fastest driver but who managed the tyres best. So the teams make the best car they can and its then put onto tyres that are deliberately faulty. And the teams are forced to use two of them. To enable overtaking there is the false arrangement of aero. Why dont they just tell the leading driver to slow so that the following driver gets to overtake - it would save on spoiler costs? Then they make the competition unfair by allowing bottomless budgets for three teams and forcing others to scrabble for money.
Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
1) F1 has always been about tyre managementWhereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
2) F1 has for 30 odd years had ways in which drivers can manipulate their cars to increase performance and allow them to pass easier
3) F1 has always had disparities in budgets between those who have, and those who have not.
I give your rant 1/10, I’m not so generous
bordseye said:
Sunday's race wasnt decided by who made the best car or who was the fastest driver but who managed the tyres best. So the teams make the best car they can and its then put onto tyres that are deliberately faulty. And the teams are forced to use two of them. To enable overtaking there is the false arrangement of aero. Why dont they just tell the leading driver to slow so that the following driver gets to overtake - it would save on spoiler costs? Then they make the competition unfair by allowing bottomless budgets for three teams and forcing others to scrabble for money.
Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
Far from the best race we have ever seen, however, you couldn't be more wrong so thats good!Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill, its now been degraded into entertainment. And run by Yanks who have no interest or tradition in the sport.
How long before we get pro / celeb racing in F1?
The race was decided on strategy, Mercedes rolled the dice and it worked, I thought it was a blinder of a call, also worth noting the teams didn't have a lot of data to go for the weekend and tyre use so Merc couldn't have known if it would pay off for certain.
Rubbish how many boring race from the 60s 70s 80s were thaere that no one has bothered to keep footage of because nothing happened vs the odd occasions of amazing racing that get trouped out every now and again about the past. Then the 90s mega bore era when micheal won everything.
Re tyres nothing stopping everyone going for exactly the same strategy and pitting on the same lap. The last 10 years have arguably been amazing (mostly) remember the season when no one could get a second win until race 9 or 10?
A wee bit boring of Nico vs Lewis only but right now we arguably
Mercedes ferrari and red bull close enough to race each other at various tracks but over the season merc have the advantage
Mclaren revival clear 4th trying to jump to that top 3 gap but nipping at red bull at times
And then the midfield battle
Even tail end charlie Williams potentially making the jump to the midfield battle gives us brits a plucky underdog to support.
Re tyres nothing stopping everyone going for exactly the same strategy and pitting on the same lap. The last 10 years have arguably been amazing (mostly) remember the season when no one could get a second win until race 9 or 10?
A wee bit boring of Nico vs Lewis only but right now we arguably
Mercedes ferrari and red bull close enough to race each other at various tracks but over the season merc have the advantage
Mclaren revival clear 4th trying to jump to that top 3 gap but nipping at red bull at times
And then the midfield battle
Even tail end charlie Williams potentially making the jump to the midfield battle gives us brits a plucky underdog to support.
I think this season has, so far, been the most entertaining I can remember in the 20+ years I've been watching F1. I thought yesterdays race was good. Hamilton came in following a strategy call, Red bull were 21 ish seconds ahead when Hamilton came back out and could have pitted too....They chose not to and it was interesting to watch to see if it was the right call.
In between there was some decent wheel to wheel action.
In between there was some decent wheel to wheel action.
bordseye said:
Whereas F1 used to be about engineering and driver skill
When was that? Its always had fuel and tyre saving as a big part of race day, its just that you have more information now so its more visible.bordseye said:
its now been degraded into entertainment.
If it wasn't 'entertainment' it wouldn't exist........If you just want driver skill and clever engineering tweaks to a tight set of rules there are many many spec series out there to watch.
Your argument following a race like Hungary becomes particularly invalid.
If tyre wear wasn’t a factor, Hamilton’s 2nd pit stop and chase to the end would’ve have happened, Norris wouldn’t have dropped positions due to a badly timed stopped, all cars would’ve ended in similar positions to where they started.
If DRS wasn’t a factor, overtaking at Hungary is near impossible and all cars would’ve ended in similar positions to where they started.
The fact racing doesn’t just come down to who’s the fastest driver, who has the best car and who has the best strategy, but a combination of all three makes for exciting racing.
[edit] also to add how far LH/MV were ahead of the rest of the pack and their team mates - Mind boggling.
If tyre wear wasn’t a factor, Hamilton’s 2nd pit stop and chase to the end would’ve have happened, Norris wouldn’t have dropped positions due to a badly timed stopped, all cars would’ve ended in similar positions to where they started.
If DRS wasn’t a factor, overtaking at Hungary is near impossible and all cars would’ve ended in similar positions to where they started.
The fact racing doesn’t just come down to who’s the fastest driver, who has the best car and who has the best strategy, but a combination of all three makes for exciting racing.
[edit] also to add how far LH/MV were ahead of the rest of the pack and their team mates - Mind boggling.
Edited by bristolbaron on Monday 5th August 13:03
clearly the OP knows nothing about motorsport and it's history. Tyres have always played a part in motor racing. Go back to the beginning when mechanics used to ride in the cars, they nearly all carried 2 spare wheels. Even in series with a control tyre, some teams do better than others. In part it is tied up with how they manged the tyres often a combination of engineering (tracking, camber etc) and driving style.
bordseye said:
it would save on spoiler costs?
Welcome to the world of F1. I'm guess you are new to the sport, hence the use of the word 'spoiler'.As others have said, your observations describe a scenario that has long been part of the intrigue in the sport - a sport that is not for everyone but provides great interest and enjoyment for many.
Thanks for stopping by. I believe they discuss short-oval hot rod racing over in General Motorsport.
Never mind F1 im not sure the OP has even driven a car. Tyres and brakes wear out and always did. Especially if you put 900-1000hp through them.
Also youtube is full of dreary footage of the glorious old days for people to fall asleep to. Murry microphone hog seemed clued up as he only talked about the top3 all race. No way of knowing if anything he said was accurate either.
Probably a post to get a reaction....
Also youtube is full of dreary footage of the glorious old days for people to fall asleep to. Murry microphone hog seemed clued up as he only talked about the top3 all race. No way of knowing if anything he said was accurate either.
Probably a post to get a reaction....
People certainly have short memories and forget the snooze-fest races in the past.
I've watched F1 since the late 80's and it most certainly wasn't all Senna fighting through the pack in the wet or Mansell around the outside of Stowe.
There were a lot of dull races in dull places with not much happening.
Tired of Mercedes' domination? In 1988 Mclaren won every race apart from one......
The unavoidable problem is that technology has got to the level that, unrestricted, teams could design cars to be hugely fast and completely unpassable.
Ergo, they have to introduce 'artificial' elements to both raise safety levels and ensure that there is still some form of show.
I've watched F1 since the late 80's and it most certainly wasn't all Senna fighting through the pack in the wet or Mansell around the outside of Stowe.
There were a lot of dull races in dull places with not much happening.
Tired of Mercedes' domination? In 1988 Mclaren won every race apart from one......
The unavoidable problem is that technology has got to the level that, unrestricted, teams could design cars to be hugely fast and completely unpassable.
Ergo, they have to introduce 'artificial' elements to both raise safety levels and ensure that there is still some form of show.
I give the OP's Rant 0/10. At best.
The format will never be 'perfect' but the closeness of the racing, the spectacle of the cars being so fast now, the standard of the drivers throughout the grid and the reliability are all objectively better than they have been before. Also, the information we have as viewers, along with the camera angles etc available to us means the 'show' has never been better.
You only have to watch races from past decades (they are freely available on YouTube) to see that the above is undeniable.
Acceptable criticisms could be levelled at the noise (although it was an awful screaming wail from 2006/7 on if you actually watched in person), and maybe the lack of danger should you be a bit of a sadist.
What a season 2019 has been, even if top spot in the 2 championships seems already settled.
The format will never be 'perfect' but the closeness of the racing, the spectacle of the cars being so fast now, the standard of the drivers throughout the grid and the reliability are all objectively better than they have been before. Also, the information we have as viewers, along with the camera angles etc available to us means the 'show' has never been better.
You only have to watch races from past decades (they are freely available on YouTube) to see that the above is undeniable.
Acceptable criticisms could be levelled at the noise (although it was an awful screaming wail from 2006/7 on if you actually watched in person), and maybe the lack of danger should you be a bit of a sadist.
What a season 2019 has been, even if top spot in the 2 championships seems already settled.
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