Best Number 2 Drivers

Best Number 2 Drivers

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StevieBee

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7,999 posts

201 months

Tuesday 1st October
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Ignoring the fact that technically you sort of cannot have a number two driver, the discussion on the Bottas / Hamilton / Rosberg pairings got me thinking as to who have proven to be the best number two drivers. I guess the rationale would be quick enough to keep the number one driver sharp, reliable, good technical feedback, compliant and non-disruptive.

The two that spring to mind for me are Riccardo Patrese and Eddie Irvine.

Any other suggestions?


FourWheelDrift

78,099 posts

230 months

Tuesday 1st October
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Gerhard Berger not always the number 2 but a very good wingman when he was.

TheDeuce

3,136 posts

12 months

Tuesday 1st October
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I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.

Exige77

3,864 posts

137 months

Tuesday 1st October
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TheDeuce said:
I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.
^^^^^What he said.

Spot on.

StevieBee

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7,999 posts

201 months

Tuesday 1st October
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TheDeuce said:
I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.
Actually, that's a better question to ask - what makes a good number 2? Compliance should be part of this I guess.

I'm sure there's been cases where two Alphas in the same team have led to the team failing over a season. Prost and Senna is a case in point but with them, one of them always prevailed.

Haas, maybe. Although that's more a case of two Betas in the same team!

Kraken

1,170 posts

146 months

Tuesday 1st October
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Hamilton was a pretty good number two in his first year. Not very compliant though.

TheDeuce

3,136 posts

12 months

Tuesday 1st October
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StevieBee said:
Actually, that's a better question to ask - what makes a good number 2? Compliance should be part of this I guess.

I'm sure there's been cases where two Alphas in the same team have led to the team failing over a season. Prost and Senna is a case in point but with them, one of them always prevailed.

Haas, maybe. Although that's more a case of two Betas in the same team!
I think the question can be answered from two different perspectives - the driver that shines most as no2 vs the driver that, as a paid driver, is most useful as no2.

In the end, I don't think it's a question that can be answered unless the perspective 'best for who?' is defined.

For me, Bottas is the current best no2. It is very rare for a driver to be as reliably fast and consistent even when they have spent years playing second fiddle. I think part of his compliance comes down to his team genuinely treating him as an equal at the start of each season, and only asking him to play the team game once Lewis has established a strong points lead - which is both fair and reasonable, so he doesn't have to resent it so much. At least, it seems he is comfortable enough with that game for it not to upset his work behind the wheel.

He should probably get a new award - worlds most reasonable drivers champion.



Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 1st October 18:54

Deesee

2,911 posts

29 months

Tuesday 1st October
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David Coulthard.. pretty distinguished career with a lot of race starts & Wcc points & had couple of very quick team mates at Mc Merc to keep honest.



Turbojuice

433 posts

35 months

Tuesday 1st October
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Barrichello. You could argue not the best factually, but definitely the most iconic 2nd driver.

37chevy

3,047 posts

102 months

Tuesday 1st October
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Definately Barichello

Nampahc Niloc

118 posts

24 months

Tuesday 1st October
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Turbojuice said:
Barrichello. You could argue not the best factually, but definitely the most iconic 2nd driver.
This. I was reading through the this topic wondering why no one had mentioned him yet.

REALIST123

12,011 posts

99 months

Tuesday 1st October
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Exige77 said:
TheDeuce said:
I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.
^^^^^What he said.

Spot on.
No doubt. Bottas has proved to be the perfect number two.

sgtBerbatov

1,629 posts

27 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Nampahc Niloc said:
Turbojuice said:
Barrichello. You could argue not the best factually, but definitely the most iconic 2nd driver.
This. I was reading through the this topic wondering why no one had mentioned him yet.
I remember when he was at Ferrari, and someone asked what it was like being a Number 2 driver (something along those lines). He said he wasn't a number 2, that himself and Schumacher were treated equally.

Since then, for that season, every interview he did he was made to wear a hat with number 2 on it.

I'd also say Giancarlo Fisichella was a good number 2 driver.

GAjon

3,040 posts

159 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Damon Hill.

No 2 to Prost then Senna, but when he was called on delivered as No 1.

cholo

978 posts

181 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Jenson Button?

dunc_sx

1,043 posts

143 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Seb?

Halmyre

7,378 posts

85 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Stirling Moss with Mercedes in 1955.
Ronnie Peterson with Lotus in 1978.

FourWheelDrift

78,099 posts

230 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Halmyre said:
Stirling Moss with Mercedes in 1955.
Ronnie Peterson with Lotus in 1978.
Peter Collins in 1956
Gilles Villeneuve in 1979

Supersam83

321 posts

91 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Charles Leclerc for the Australian GP 2019 and 6 laps of the Bahrain GP 2019...




sandman77

1,580 posts

84 months

Wednesday 2nd October
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Supersam83 said:
Charles Leclerc for the Australian GP 2019 and 6 laps of the Bahrain GP 2019...
And 300 metres of the Russian Grand Prix.