Best Number 2 Drivers

Best Number 2 Drivers

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StevieBee

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12,876 posts

255 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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Ignoring the fact that technically you sort of cannot have a number two driver, the discussion on the Bottas / Hamilton / Rosberg pairings got me thinking as to who have proven to be the best number two drivers. I guess the rationale would be quick enough to keep the number one driver sharp, reliable, good technical feedback, compliant and non-disruptive.

The two that spring to mind for me are Riccardo Patrese and Eddie Irvine.

Any other suggestions?


FourWheelDrift

88,504 posts

284 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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Gerhard Berger not always the number 2 but a very good wingman when he was.

TheDeuce

21,537 posts

66 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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TheDeuce said:
I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.
^^^^^What he said.

Spot on.

StevieBee

Original Poster:

12,876 posts

255 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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TheDeuce said:
I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.
Actually, that's a better question to ask - what makes a good number 2? Compliance should be part of this I guess.

I'm sure there's been cases where two Alphas in the same team have led to the team failing over a season. Prost and Senna is a case in point but with them, one of them always prevailed.

Haas, maybe. Although that's more a case of two Betas in the same team!

Kraken

1,710 posts

200 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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Hamilton was a pretty good number two in his first year. Not very compliant though.

TheDeuce

21,537 posts

66 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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StevieBee said:
Actually, that's a better question to ask - what makes a good number 2? Compliance should be part of this I guess.

I'm sure there's been cases where two Alphas in the same team have led to the team failing over a season. Prost and Senna is a case in point but with them, one of them always prevailed.

Haas, maybe. Although that's more a case of two Betas in the same team!
I think the question can be answered from two different perspectives - the driver that shines most as no2 vs the driver that, as a paid driver, is most useful as no2.

In the end, I don't think it's a question that can be answered unless the perspective 'best for who?' is defined.

For me, Bottas is the current best no2. It is very rare for a driver to be as reliably fast and consistent even when they have spent years playing second fiddle. I think part of his compliance comes down to his team genuinely treating him as an equal at the start of each season, and only asking him to play the team game once Lewis has established a strong points lead - which is both fair and reasonable, so he doesn't have to resent it so much. At least, it seems he is comfortable enough with that game for it not to upset his work behind the wheel.

He should probably get a new award - worlds most reasonable drivers champion.



Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 1st October 18:54

Deesee

8,419 posts

83 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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David Coulthard.. pretty distinguished career with a lot of race starts & Wcc points & had couple of very quick team mates at Mc Merc to keep honest.



Turbojuice

601 posts

89 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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Barrichello. You could argue not the best factually, but definitely the most iconic 2nd driver.

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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Definately Barichello

Nampahc Niloc

910 posts

78 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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Turbojuice said:
Barrichello. You could argue not the best factually, but definitely the most iconic 2nd driver.
This. I was reading through the this topic wondering why no one had mentioned him yet.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 1st October 2019
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Exige77 said:
TheDeuce said:
I assume we are to answer who is best no2 based on their performance for their own sake, as opposed to how compliant they are in supporting the no1 drivers success?

Rosberg was a better driver than Bottas imo, but as a number 2 driver, I think Mercedes definitely rate Bottas as the better choice.
^^^^^What he said.

Spot on.
No doubt. Bottas has proved to be the perfect number two.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Nampahc Niloc said:
Turbojuice said:
Barrichello. You could argue not the best factually, but definitely the most iconic 2nd driver.
This. I was reading through the this topic wondering why no one had mentioned him yet.
I remember when he was at Ferrari, and someone asked what it was like being a Number 2 driver (something along those lines). He said he wasn't a number 2, that himself and Schumacher were treated equally.

Since then, for that season, every interview he did he was made to wear a hat with number 2 on it.

I'd also say Giancarlo Fisichella was a good number 2 driver.

GAjon

3,733 posts

213 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Damon Hill.

No 2 to Prost then Senna, but when he was called on delivered as No 1.

cholo

1,129 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Jenson Button?

dunc_sx

1,608 posts

197 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Seb?

Halmyre

11,190 posts

139 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Stirling Moss with Mercedes in 1955.
Ronnie Peterson with Lotus in 1978.

FourWheelDrift

88,504 posts

284 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Halmyre said:
Stirling Moss with Mercedes in 1955.
Ronnie Peterson with Lotus in 1978.
Peter Collins in 1956
Gilles Villeneuve in 1979

Supersam83

606 posts

145 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Charles Leclerc for the Australian GP 2019 and 6 laps of the Bahrain GP 2019...




sandman77

2,408 posts

138 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
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Supersam83 said:
Charles Leclerc for the Australian GP 2019 and 6 laps of the Bahrain GP 2019...
And 300 metres of the Russian Grand Prix.