The Official Japanese GP 2019 **Spoilers**

The Official Japanese GP 2019 **Spoilers**

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paulguitar

3,518 posts

59 months

Thursday 10th October
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Frimley111R said:
Supersam83 said:
Charles Leclerc has seem to found another level and is pulling Vettel along with him.
I tihnk it's more that Ferrari have found another level to take themselves above Merc. Vettel is just fortunate enough to be in one of their cars but unfortuante enough to have a faster team mate now.
This, precisely. Anyone at F1 level who finds ‘another level’ had not been performing to an acceptable standard previously.

Ferrari has found something significant and now appears to have a clear car advantage. Hamilton did enough prior to this to almost sew up the title, but it’ll be a big ask for him to add any wins or poles in the remaining races this year.

Andy S15

394 posts

73 months

Thursday 10th October
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paulguitar said:
Ferrari has found something significant and now appears to have a clear car advantage. Hamilton did enough prior to this to almost sew up the title, but it’ll be a big ask for him to add any wins or poles in the remaining races this year.
I feel Ferrari's performance lately has been inflated due to Mercedes cruising on lower power to secure the titles, and TR/RBR going easy on engines so they can turn up the wick this weekend. Should be interesting, but I'm not convinced that Ferrari will look as strong here.

paulguitar

3,518 posts

59 months

Thursday 10th October
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Andy S15 said:
paulguitar said:
Ferrari has found something significant and now appears to have a clear car advantage. Hamilton did enough prior to this to almost sew up the title, but it’ll be a big ask for him to add any wins or poles in the remaining races this year.
I feel Ferrari's performance lately has been inflated due to Mercedes cruising on lower power to secure the titles, and TR/RBR going easy on engines so they can turn up the wick this weekend. Should be interesting, but I'm not convinced that Ferrari will look as strong here.
Yes you might well be right there. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out this weekend.

thegreenhell

6,193 posts

165 months

Thursday 10th October
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Honda will have everything turned up to 11 for their home race, so I expect to see the Red Bulls either flying or exploding.

TheDeuce

3,136 posts

12 months

Thursday 10th October
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paulguitar said:
Andy S15 said:
paulguitar said:
Ferrari has found something significant and now appears to have a clear car advantage. Hamilton did enough prior to this to almost sew up the title, but it’ll be a big ask for him to add any wins or poles in the remaining races this year.
I feel Ferrari's performance lately has been inflated due to Mercedes cruising on lower power to secure the titles, and TR/RBR going easy on engines so they can turn up the wick this weekend. Should be interesting, but I'm not convinced that Ferrari will look as strong here.
Yes you might well be right there. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out this weekend.
I think this is correct also.

I'm also far from convinced there has been any evidence of Ferrari having a 'clear' car advantage. They have had an advantage on circuits that are good or at least better than average for their car. They did even better than expected on those circuits as they have got to grips with their aero - but nonetheless we still haven't seen how they will do on a circuit not as well suited to their car.

So far all I see is a very positive step towards being more competitive, and potentially they 'may' have the superior package. But we haven't seen enough of that package, on a mix of circuits offering various challenges to know for sure. Not sure this weekends GP will provide any clearer evidence either as a) the weather is likely to play a disruptive factor, and, b) it's another circuit that suites cars with a leaning towards high speed over grip.

Not taking anything away from Ferrari, they have made excellent progress. Just trying to be realistic about what we have really seen recently and how relevant it is to the overall remainder of the season - and their chances next season.

geeks

4,707 posts

85 months

Thursday 10th October
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thegreenhell said:
Honda will have everything turned up to 11 for their home race, so I expect to see the Red Bulls either flying or exploding.
or both!

TheDeuce

3,136 posts

12 months

Petrus1983

2,561 posts

108 months

Thursday 10th October
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TheDeuce said:
So Japanese - love it.

Nampahc Niloc

118 posts

24 months

Thursday 10th October
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If I was in charge at Mercedes I would be diverting all my resource towards next years car. No point putting much effort into developing this years car now that the championship is all but in the bag.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see them a long way ahead again at the start of next season because Ferrari have been putting all their effort into catching Mercedes up, while Mercedes are already focusing on next year.

Just a hypothesis. I may be way off.

geeks

4,707 posts

85 months

Thursday 10th October
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Nampahc Niloc said:
If I was in charge at Mercedes I would be diverting all my resource towards next years car. No point putting much effort into developing this years car now that the championship is all but in the bag.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see them a long way ahead again at the start of next season because Ferrari have been putting all their effort into catching Mercedes up, while Mercedes are already focusing on next year.

Just a hypothesis. I may be way off.
As the regs are fairly static for next year a good understanding of this years car will pay off in 2020 in theory... theory is a wonderful thing!

vaud

33,492 posts

101 months

Thursday 10th October
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Nampahc Niloc said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see them a long way ahead again at the start of next season because Ferrari have been putting all their effort into catching Mercedes up, while Mercedes are already focusing on next year.
Ferrari have already switched to 2020, they said that the last race was the last major update and was in effect 2020 elements being trialed?

Gtom

710 posts

78 months

Thursday 10th October
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Could it be that Liberty have had a quiet word with Mercedes about reigning it in a bit?
Having won since 2014 and started with an absolute flyer this year it could have another boring year for F1 fans, much like the Redbull days with Vettel.

As everyone has pointed out it’s all but in the bag so Mercedes are coasting to keep things interesting for the sake of the sport.

It’s all a guess, it may have already been mentioned. I also don’t include the German GP in this theory!

Edited by Gtom on Thursday 10th October 14:09

vaud

33,492 posts

101 months

Thursday 10th October
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Gtom said:
Could it be that Liberty have had a quite word with Mercedes about reigning it in a bit?
No, I think it is natural convergence of performance that you always get with rules stability and staff rotating around teams over 5 years.

37chevy

3,047 posts

102 months

Thursday 10th October
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vaud said:
No, I think it is natural convergence of performance that you always get with rules stability and staff rotating around teams over 5 years.
this

HighwayStar

2,561 posts

90 months

Thursday 10th October
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Nampahc Niloc said:
If I was in charge at Mercedes I would be diverting all my resource towards next years car. No point putting much effort into developing this years car now that the championship is all but in the bag.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see them a long way ahead again at the start of next season because Ferrari have been putting all their effort into catching Mercedes up, while Mercedes are already focusing on next year.

Just a hypothesis. I may be way off.
Nope, on the money according to a Toto interview... as I posted in another thread
Toto believes Mercedes changing more of their focus on the 2020 car and Ferrari pressing on with updates is part of the reason Merc have appeared to underperform post summer break...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-2020-f...

BlueMeganeII

292 posts

105 months

Petrus1983

2,561 posts

108 months

Thursday 10th October
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BlueMeganeII said:
Considering 2019 is all but tied up it’s not a bad direction for them, but shows they’re likely to be on fire from early 2020. I just hope it’s not their last ‘team’ year.

PDP76

1,860 posts

96 months

Friday 11th October
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Looks like Saturday F1 is cancelled due to the typhoon. Qualifying on Sunday am followed by race pm

Cold

7,549 posts

36 months

Friday 11th October
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ajprice

16,531 posts

142 months

Friday 11th October
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About 3 hours to the race start if anyone stuffs it in qualifying, on what will be a 'green' track because any rubber would be washed out smile .