Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?

Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?

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Deesee

3,254 posts

31 months

Thursday 28th November
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TobyTR said:
What were the points gap between Alonso and Hamilton those years? And the points gap between Alonso and his teammate?

If you look at his finishing places across the entire season it was still very consistent.
Ok...

Hamilton was 12 points off Alonso in 2010, one win less (4 to 3), one less podium (10 to 9), one less points finish (16 to 15) , with 3 more retirements ( 1 vs 4 )

Retirement for Alonso was a crash at Spa from driver error, Hamilton had a coming together with Massa and Webber whilst overtaking, as well as a gearbox failure, as well as a high speed puncture whilst 2nd in Spain on the penultimate lap.



2013, Seb was in a class of his own (second half of the season, as development went to 2014 regs), finishing 155 points clear of second place.

Points finish (17 each), podiums (5 to 9 in favour of FA, nb all podiums in the first half of the season for Lewis), Wins 2 to 1 (for FA, all in first half of the season).

Mercedes did however beat Ferrari to the 2013 WDC & Poles 5 to Nil for Lewis.



It should also be noted that both Lotus Renaults finished higher in the WDC than the Ferrari no2, in 2013, and in one of those cars was R Grosjean.


& Hamilton had Button (Current WDC) as a team mate in 2010, (17 points finishes 7 podiums & 2 wins) Lewis (16/10/3)

& Rosberg (future WDC) as a team mate in 2013, (16 points finishes, 4 podiums & 2 wins) Lewis (17/5/1)

Massa 2013, 15 points finishes 1 podium 0 wins. FA (17/9/1)

Massa 2010, 14 Points finishes, 5 podium 0 wins. FA (16/10/4)

So Lewis had competitive team mates, Fernando dominated his team mate, as he has all team mates, well apart from one.... thumbup


shinjuku

384 posts

29 months

Thursday 28th November
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Hamilton.

Schumacher was brilliant, but Hamilton has the edge. Absolute racer. More raw.

Schumacher did a lot of dodgy st, and there were some awful team orders and driving behaviour that put me off him quite a bit.

E34-3.2

981 posts

27 months

Thursday 28th November
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shinjuku said:
Hamilton.

Schumacher was brilliant, but Hamilton has the edge. Absolute racer. More raw.

Schumacher did a lot of dodgy st, and there were some awful team orders and driving behaviour that put me off him quite a bit.
^^this

I still don't understand how some people can compare a driver with appealing racing behaviour such as driving into people or trying to kill them (ask Barrichello) or awful team orders to one of the cleanest world champion we have ever witness. I am puzzled by this.

The guy never went against a strong team mate. As soon as the tyres weren't design to his liking, he never won a championship again. Even with bad team mates, he still needed team orders. He is the only driver who has been disqualified from the F1 championship an entire season... That says it all.




kiseca

7,722 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th November
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E34-3.2 said:
^^this

I still don't understand how some people can compare a driver with appealing racing behaviour such as driving into people or trying to kill them (ask Barrichello) or awful team orders to one of the cleanest world champion we have ever witness. I am puzzled by this.

The guy never went against a strong team mate. As soon as the tyres weren't design to his liking, he never won a championship again. Even with bad team mates, he still needed team orders. He is the only driver who has been disqualified from the F1 championship an entire season... That says it all.
He won championships before Ferrari started getting those tailored Bridgestone tyres, beating a quicker Williams in the process.

I think we all agree he wasn't a likeable champion, but the team orders, the tyres, the team mates, the competition, none of those things make him any slower or less capable as a driver.

Yes it's easy to say he benefitted from weak competition, but there are two reasons why it would appear that way.

1) 19 drivers (actually more) were outliers, visibly worse than normal. in Formula 1 all for the same 10odd year period.
2) 1 driver was an outlier, visibly better than all the competition for the majority of his career.

The odds are on option 2 being correct, and his success was amplified because he was the right person at the right time to make the most of the rules of the period. His standout qualities were a perfect fit for a period when a strong work ethic (testing, fitness), mental capacity in the car to understand and implement a strategy, and the ability to drive at qualifying pace for races that were effectively a series of sprints between pitstops, all gave great returns. At least two of those were nullified by rule changes when he made his comeback.

EDIT: What I'm saying is, if Schumacher hadn't been around, we'd all probably be discussing a handful of greats from that period and comparing Lewis to them instead... Raikkonen would have championships, Hakkinen would have won more, Montoya may have bagged a few. It may well have been a rich, diverse period in the sport where the best drivers were challenged by others of equal ability. Instead we had Schumacher alone making everyone else look slow with the exception of Hakkinen, who was fast enough to be on Schumachers level on a good day, but he couldn't get there every time, while Schumacher did.




Edited by kiseca on Thursday 28th November 17:44

A44RON

171 posts

44 months

Thursday 28th November
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TobyTR said:
1. For Hamilton to be “in a class of one” he must be flawless and unbeatable at wheel-to-wheel race-craft, and as the evidence shows he has been beaten over the years, which you gloss over because it doesn’t fit your agenda. No F1 driver has been in “a class of one” in this respect. Senna, Hakkinen, Schumacher, Hamilton, Button, Mansell, Alonso, even Ricciardo(!) have showed exceptional race-craft in their careers. It is only you claiming Hamilton is in a class of one, and you don’t like it when called out on it.

2. 2010-2013 is when Hamilton and Alonso were in similar-performing machinery and which is why YouTube has their most wheel-to-wheel battles during this time. Albeit the stats actually have McLaren being the slightly better car those years, and look what happened… of course you are welcome to compare and post 2014-2018, but given the dominance of Mercedes and Alonso’s machinery that would be ridiculous, but you’re welcome if it will make you feel better.

3. Why is someone highlighting your bias towards Hamilton a “mental instability”? Please explain. If you’re biased towards Hamilton, then you are. No harm in that. It’s an attempt by you to shut down an argument by using insults.

4. So you describing M.Schumacher as “had nothing special or exciting in his moves, mostly dirt, cheat and ram” is a one-off claim now, is it? Glad we’ve got that straight. Notice I haven’t taken personal swipes at you with such petty remarks as “your own low standards” and “mental instability” – that reeks of desperation. But you know what they say about people who resort to low-ball insults when it comes to putting their argument across..… they’ve already lost the argument at that point.

5. “Schumacher had nothing special in his moves.” The evidence goes against you again… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYSTaVBpwPg


But it’s all clear now, I see from your username you are indeed the Hamilton fanboy on YouTube that has created those LH overtake compilations!! It all makes sense. Tell us, have you ever created compilation videos for Schumacher, Alonso, Hakkinen or Senna?...... because it appears to be all Lewis Hamilton vids.

And here you are trying to lecture us all on “cognitive dissonance” rofl

I’m sure your cognitive dissonance will go into overdrive now.
Lmfao rofl

Absolute gold

E-bmw

5,233 posts

100 months

Thursday 28th November
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clarki said:
However, would it be true to say I watched schumi win a WDC in not the best car on the grid, whereas hamilton has yet to do that??

Don't be so sure you haven't.

The Ferrari has (anecdotally at least) been widely called the faster (yes I know that isn't everything) car for the last 2 full seasons.

"Fingers" eventually admitted that if it wasn't for his mistakes Ferrari/he would likely have won last years championship.

A44RON

171 posts

44 months

Thursday 28th November
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kiseca said:
He won championships before Ferrari started getting those tailored Bridgestone tyres, beating a quicker Williams in the process.

I think we all agree he wasn't a likeable champion, but the team orders, the tyres, the team mates, the competition, none of those things make him any slower or less capable as a driver.

Yes it's easy to say he benefitted from weak competition, but there are two reasons why it would appear that way.

1) 19 drivers (actually more) were outliers, visibly worse than normal. in Formula 1 all for the same 10odd year period.
2) 1 driver was an outlier, visibly better than all the competition for the majority of his career.

The odds are on option 2 being correct, and his success was amplified because he was the right person at the right time to make the most of the rules of the period. His standout qualities were a perfect fit for a period when a strong work ethic (testing, fitness), mental capacity in the car to understand and implement a strategy, and the ability to drive at qualifying pace for races that were effectively a series of sprints between pitstops, all gave great returns. At least two of those were nullified by rule changes when he made his comeback.

EDIT: What I'm saying is, if Schumacher hadn't been around, we'd all probably be discussing a handful of greats from that period and comparing Lewis to them instead... Raikkonen would have championships, Hakkinen would have won more, Montoya may have bagged a few. It may well have been a rich, diverse period in the sport where the best drivers were challenged by others of equal ability. Instead we had Schumacher alone making everyone else look slow with the exception of Hakkinen, who was fast enough to be on Schumachers level on a good day, but he couldn't get there every time, while Schumacher did.



Edited by kiseca on Thursday 28th November 17:44
That pretty much sums it up for me too

paulguitar

3,937 posts

61 months

Thursday 28th November
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It’s pretty simple for me.

I’d say Schumacher was an extraordinary driver, right up there with Hamilton in on pretty much every level.

The difference, and it’s a huge difference, is that Schu repeatedly resorted to underhand tactics, showing a clear weakness of character. On that basis, for me, he doesn’t come close to Hamilton’s greatness.

mattikake

4,756 posts

147 months

Thursday 28th November
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TobyTR said:
1. For Hamilton to be “in a class of one” he must be flawless and unbeatable at wheel-to-wheel race-craft, and as the evidence shows he has been beaten over the years, which you gloss over because it doesn’t fit your agenda. No F1 driver has been in “a class of one” in this respect. Senna, Hakkinen, Schumacher, Hamilton, Button, Mansell, Alonso, even Ricciardo(!) have showed exceptional race-craft in their careers. It is only you claiming Hamilton is in a class of one, and you don’t like it when called out on it.
Who do you think you are you make the rules for my own opinion? That's plain weird.

Or rather, masquerading your own argument as mine, then using that to argue against. So I'm back to your mental instability again. I keep mentioning it, because you persist in displaying it. It's... remarkable.

Why must someone to be better than anyone else, "be flawless and unbeatable"? I mean, does that even make sense? Is it even possible? No. He has to be is be clearly and provably better than the rest. Which he is (IMO).

And IMO he is head and tails above the rest, when it comes to on track wheel-to-wheel battling. He's proved it many times, legendarily out-foxing Rosberg (Bahrain 2015), Alonso (many times, lets pick Britain 2009), Schumacher (Malaysia 2010, twice actually, not once. It was so clinical I missed it first time round), Webber (Malaysia 2009) and Button (several times in 2010-12, such as Turkey 2010 or Australia 2010) - all of which he used his race craft to compete when superior speed of the car/tyres/strategy was not available to him.

I haven't seen any of the drivers you mention (in fact any driver, ever) do battle on track like he has. In particular, repeatedly out-foxing Rosberg (on the wrong tyres) and Webber (in a car 4-6 seconds slower at the stage of the race, provable by their lap times). And not even a direct blocking move or hard defence, but setting himself up to re-attack after being passed engineering superior track position and as I said, thinking quicker and more intelligently.


TobyTR said:
2. 2010-2013 is when Hamilton and Alonso were in similar-performing machinery and which is why YouTube has their most wheel-to-wheel battles during this time. Albeit the stats actually have McLaren being the slightly better car those years, and look what happened… of course you are welcome to compare and post 2014-2018, but given the dominance of Mercedes and Alonso’s machinery that would be ridiculous, but you’re welcome if it will make you feel better.
I'd rather compare when they were in the SAME car, because it's the only way to take car performance out of the equation. Otherwise you're left with opinions that beg to differ. Alonso never got the better of Hamilton in a wheel-to-wheel battle that year in the same car...

TobyTR said:
3. Why is someone highlighting your bias towards Hamilton a “mental instability”? Please explain. If you’re biased towards Hamilton, then you are. No harm in that. It’s an attempt by you to shut down an argument by using insults.
It's mentally unstable to fabricate my own words or twist them, to create your own argument to argue against. It's delusional. That you don't see it is... seriously, mentally unstable.

TobyTR said:
4. So you describing M.Schumacher as “had nothing special or exciting in his moves, mostly dirt, cheat and ram” is a one-off claim now, is it?
One-off claim? Not at all. I'll repeat it here for you; Schumacher had nothing special or exciting in his moves, mostly dirt, cheat and ram. Ok?

TobyTR said:
Glad we’ve got that straight.
We again? Who is this imaginary person?

TobyTR said:
Notice I haven’t taken personal swipes at you with such petty remarks as “your own low standards” and “mental instability” – that reeks of desperation. But you know what they say about people who resort to low-ball insults when it comes to putting their argument across..… they’ve already lost the argument at that point.
However this is pure gold! It's been a while since I genuinely LOL'd at a forum post, but this had me chuckling for a good few minutes. Can't you even remember what you said just a few weeks ago?

Beaten by your own words! Lol

Mattikake said:
On Saturday 2nd November...
TobyTR said:
Are you another cretin comparing the old past-it Schumacher with a young Lewis Hamilton? If so that demonstrates your severe lack of intelligence. Good grief.
But anyway; YES!

You've resorted to insults in lieu of the very evidence you say you have.
How can someone who beat themselves in their own argument be ... "all there"? At this point, if I were to call you stupid, would it really just be an insult or would it be a well-reasoned conclusion?

That pointed you straight at cognitive dissonance (among other mental and social disorders). You have taken direct personal swipes and you also did it first. I however, haven't. I've suggested you have a real problem and your argumentative style is akin to a religious fundamentalist (belief in lieu of facts, putting words into others' mouths, inventing your own counter and attempting to win that instead).

I was being kind to offer CD as an excuse. It rules you. It makes you do or say things that appear well below your normal IQ in order to justify your belief, actions or habits.

TobyTR said:
5. “Schumacher had nothing special in his moves.” The evidence goes against you again… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYSTaVBpwPg
These are "moments" not moves, but I'll indulge you.

Moment 10. A pole lap. Nothing to do with wheel-to-wheel battling

Moment 9. That's special? Alesi locked up, went wide and he passed round the outside. How often have you seen something like that be almost the entire field in the last few seasons. That by law of averages is not "special". But it was a sound move.

Moment 8. Stuck in 5th gear. A good gear to be stuck in but has nothing to do with wheel-to-wheel battling

Moment 7. "Move?". He won his first race. :s

Moment 6. Charging from the back. I only witnessed up-the-insides. A good charge, but nothing "special" because we see it often today.

Moment 5. Shines on F1 debut qualifying (less said about the race the better) but this isn't a "move".

Moment 4. Passing in the pits. The stuff that made F1 lose viewing figures. This isn't a "move"

Moment 3. Another charge. Good stuff and one good overtake in Hill, if aggressive running him off the track (albeit fairly-ish in a hang-out manoeuvre). Nothing "special" though.

Moment 2. A qualifying lap. Nothing to do with wheel-to-wheel battling

Moment 1. Winning in the wet in the 3rd or 4th best car on the grid. Good racing, but I only witnessed up-the-insides. A good charge, but no "special" moves.

Odd I was expecting to see his move in 1999 when it engineered getting Irvine in the lead over Hakkinen. This was Schumacher's best move IMO and the only time he got me applauding.Although techinically it was a block and not an overtake.

Given you yet again seem to fundamentally or deliberately misunderstand my wheel-to-wheel race craft point, that this video does nothing to prove Schumacher was better at this than Hamilton.:s It's heading towards mental instability again...

TobyTR said:
But it’s all clear now, I see from your username you are indeed the Hamilton fanboy on YouTube that has created those LH overtake compilations!! It all makes sense. Tell us, have you ever created compilation videos for Schumacher, Alonso, Hakkinen or Senna?...... because it appears to be all Lewis Hamilton vids.
How does the name "Mattikake" associate with "Lewis Hamilton fan"?

Anyway, wrong again. You need to do a bit more research before letting your fingers loose on your keyboard. Here's a list of some more of my videos

Senna overtakes https://vimeo.com/49542139
Mansell overtakes https://vimeo.com/49545143
Rosberg overtakes https://vimeo.com/49553840
Jones overtakes https://vimeo.com/49725337
Lauda overtakes https://vimeo.com/49726184
Watson overtakes https://vimeo.com/50425332
Laffite overtakes https://vimeo.com/50425331

I did have plans for Piquet, Prost and Alonso overtake videos (a Schumacher one would've been pretty boring, but I was still tempted) however FOM started blocking and removing my videos on YT and Vimeo so in around 2011 I lost interest and stopped making them. Hamilton videos are very easy to make. He was providing 10 minutes worth of exciting, inventive overtakes and battling to produce 1 video per season. I would literally struggle to do that for any other driver. It's really is a class of one. Absolutely.

btw, the Senna video contains every single one of his overtakes caught on camera and subsequently converted to digital format. None of them display the same level of wheel-to-wheel race craft as Hamilton. A bit of opportunism, many clinical, some hard charges, but not at all on the same level.

Mansell comes closest. He had more bravado and bravery, but this came to bite him at times too. He certainly had intelligence and measured skill in a lot of his stuff, but not with the pure and consistent craft of Hamilton. And as a point, I'm actually a Mansell fan, but he doesn't race any more. frown

Hamilton really is in a class of one.

TobyTR said:
And here you are trying to lecture us all on “cognitive dissonance” rofl

I’m sure your cognitive dissonance will go into overdrive now.
I'm not LECTURING what CD is in any teachable detail. I'm TELLING you, you have it. Everything you post or argue is either making up points as if they are mine, or posting about something completely unrelated to my point/opinion.

Maybe you should also read-up on the Dunning-Kruger syndrome?

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Edited by mattikake on Friday 29th November 08:32

TheDeuce

3,753 posts

14 months

Thursday 28th November
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paulguitar said:
It’s pretty simple for me.

I’d say Schumacher was an extraordinary driver, right up there with Hamilton in on pretty much every level.

The difference, and it’s a huge difference, is that Schu repeatedly resorted to underhand tactics, showing a clear weakness of character. On that basis, for me, he doesn’t come close to Hamilton’s greatness.
Yup. Two incredibly high achievers no doubt.

But one is more hero, the other more a bit fiendish. Whichever each person chooses as 'best' probably says more about that person than either driver smile

paulguitar

3,937 posts

61 months

Thursday 28th November
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TheDeuce said:
Yup. Two incredibly high achievers no doubt.

But one is more hero, the other more a bit fiendish. Whichever each person chooses as 'best' probably says more about that person than either driver smile
Agreed.

To some of us, integrity is still really, really important.



mattikake

4,756 posts

147 months

Thursday 28th November
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kiseca said:
Yes it's easy to say he benefitted from weak competition, but there are two reasons why it would appear that way.

1) 19 drivers (actually more) were outliers, visibly worse than normal. in Formula 1 all for the same 10odd year period.
2) 1 driver was an outlier, visibly better than all the competition for the majority of his career.

The odds are on option 2 being correct,
If your supposition was correct that may be true. But he couldn't beat Hakkinen and he couldn't beat Alonso. Massa was also getting the better of him towards the end of his Ferrari stint. So I think you make an erroneous leap of faith with your own perception, weakening your whole case.

A44RON

171 posts

44 months

Thursday 28th November
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mattikake said:
One-off claim? Not at all. I'll repeat it here for you; Schumacher had nothing special or exciting in his moves, mostly dirt, cheat and ram. Ok?

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Edited by mattikake on Thursday 28th November 22:04
I stopped reading after that. Utter b0ll0cks

From that vid I thought it was clear Moments 9, 8, 6, 3 and 1 showed his racecraft. But everyone has their own opinion and will see what they want to see.

And why are posters still talking about the post-2010 Schumacher as if he was in his prime? It’s crazy. The fact he came out of a three year retirement to have a go in a different era shows some serious balls, and until Hamilton, Alonso or another Legend does something similar in the future and we see how that goes it’s a rather pointless comparison.



A44RON

171 posts

44 months

Thursday 28th November
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mattikake said:
If your supposition was correct that may be true. But he couldn't beat Hakkinen and he couldn't beat Alonso. Massa was also getting the better of him towards the end of his Ferrari stint. So I think you make an erroneous leap of faith with your own perception, weakening your whole case.
Schumacher beat Hakkinen in a fair fight in 2000 ,with no dodgy maneuvres, no cheating and no special Bridgestone tyres. And it was one of the best championship battles in history.

TheDeuce

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14 months

Thursday 28th November
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A44RON said:
I stopped reading after that. Utter b0ll0cks

From that vid I thought it was clear Moments 9, 8, 6, 3 and 1 showed his racecraft. But everyone has their own opinion and will see what they want to see.

And why are posters still talking about the post-2010 Schumacher as if he was in his prime? It’s crazy. The fact he came out of a three year retirement to have a go in a different era shows some serious balls, and until Hamilton, Alonso or another Legend does something similar in the future and we see how that goes it’s a rather pointless comparison.
That's a dangerous gauntlet to throw down..

Lewis has so far just continued to amaze as he's aged. If anyone was on a tradjectory to do exactly what you say and pull it off it could be him.

Equal MS in WDC next year, retire. Wait a few years until a team gets on top of the 2021 new era regs and return to that team... Would he do better than MS then? Who knows. But I think you would have to admit if anyone could he would be the best bet based on his rise and consistency in F1.

In my opinion, Lewis is a freak of nature when it comes to control, focus and consistency in the face of upset and pressure, not to mention expectation. I personally think he's a lot more stable in such regards than MS. If he were to return in a similar way, I think he would achieve a better result. Albeit, they all have to hang up the helmet at some point.

mattikake

4,756 posts

147 months

Thursday 28th November
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A44RON said:
mattikake said:
One-off claim? Not at all. I'll repeat it here for you; Schumacher had nothing special or exciting in his moves, mostly dirt, cheat and ram. Ok?

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Edited by mattikake on Thursday 28th November 22:04
I stopped reading after that. Utter b0ll0cks
Bury your head in that sand. That's up to you of course.

Funny how you read all of Toby's post, and agreed with it, including the rather humorous hole he dug for himself. Ho-hum...

And how can you know something is utter bks if you didn't read it? Bizarre

A44RON said:
From that vid I thought it was clear Moments 9, 8, 6, 3 and 1 showed his racecraft. But everyone has their own opinion and will see what they want to see.
No sh!t.

But did it show his wheel-to-wheel race craft was better than Hamilton's? That was my original point. It's the point I've maintained.

The answer is "no".

A44RON

171 posts

44 months

Thursday 28th November
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mattikake said:
No sh!t.

But did it show his wheel-to-wheel race craft was better than Hamilton's? That was my original point. It's the point I've maintained.

The answer is "no".
so why did you say Schumacher couldn't beat Hakkinen then?

If there's anyone "burying their head in the sand" it's you pal and you've already shown yourself up here with your previous posts.



Edited by A44RON on Thursday 28th November 23:36

A44RON

171 posts

44 months

Thursday 28th November
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TheDeuce said:
That's a dangerous gauntlet to throw down..

Lewis has so far just continued to amaze as he's aged. If anyone was on a tradjectory to do exactly what you say and pull it off it could be him.

Equal MS in WDC next year, retire. Wait a few years until a team gets on top of the 2021 new era regs and return to that team... Would he do better than MS then? Who knows. But I think you would have to admit if anyone could he would be the best bet based on his rise and consistency in F1.

In my opinion, Lewis is a freak of nature when it comes to control, focus and consistency in the face of upset and pressure, not to mention expectation. I personally think he's a lot more stable in such regards than MS. If he were to return in a similar way, I think he would achieve a better result. Albeit, they all have to hang up the helmet at some point.
It's not dangerous at all. I will go on record and say Hamilton won't do anything similar, because it could dent his legacy and is too risky a move with no guarantee for success. Of course, I will happily admit I'm wrong if he does make a comeback at 41+ after three years away and makes a better job of it.

Hamilton is 34 years old and in his prime years. By comparison, Senna died at 34 and Schumacher was 34 years old in 2003 - again in his prime and at the peak of his powers.

Edited by A44RON on Thursday 28th November 23:35

37chevy

3,280 posts

104 months

Friday 29th November
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A44RON said:
And why are posters still talking about the post-2010 Schumacher as if he was in his prime? It’s crazy. The fact he came out of a three year retirement to have a go in a different era shows some serious balls, and until Hamilton, Alonso or another Legend does something similar in the future and we see how that goes it’s a rather pointless comparison.
Well Lauda, Kimi, Prost all retired from F1, came back and did a better job than Schumacher on their return

kiseca

7,722 posts

167 months

Friday 29th November
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mattikake said:
kiseca said:
Yes it's easy to say he benefitted from weak competition, but there are two reasons why it would appear that way.

1) 19 drivers (actually more) were outliers, visibly worse than normal. in Formula 1 all for the same 10odd year period.
2) 1 driver was an outlier, visibly better than all the competition for the majority of his career.

The odds are on option 2 being correct,
If your supposition was correct that may be true. But he couldn't beat Hakkinen and he couldn't beat Alonso. Massa was also getting the better of him towards the end of his Ferrari stint. So I think you make an erroneous leap of faith with your own perception, weakening your whole case.
Dude, your last reply to TobyTR took me two whole minutes to scroll past without even reading it. I'm not getting into this with you. Don't waste your time with me smile