Official 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Graveworm]

E34-3.2 said:

First lap or last lap incident, it's called racing.

In any event a five second penalty, in the closing laps, is more impactfui than one in the opening laps so it evens out. Lewis lost 4 places in Brazil, in most races it means 1 place if any. If keeping your place, is the worst that could happen, in a collision where the other party is at "fault" - it could lead to dangerous decisions.

Off topic but related - I would like the FIA to consider being able to award additional parts and/or replacement costs where the non fault tean would suffer as a result.

Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 21st November 10:13

[OlonMusky]

Evangelion said:

sparta6 said:

Gotta feel for Albon being punted off, 2nd to nowhere.

As I said before, you punt somebody off that close to the end, you should have your finishing positions swapped in the results

As I said before, you come to a racetrack you should get a medal. You get in the car for FP1 you should get 3 points. You finish a race, you should get a mini championship. That's how I want to see the racing in 202X's, none of that baby boomer wk, it's all about everyone feeling good and life being fair. We shall never give up fighting for social justice comrades!

[Wills2]

kambites said:

Wills2 said:

Tells you how good he is then to win the WDC....

Or how badly Ferrari have failed to capitalise on the fact that Mercedes can't really overtake. Just look at the number of races where Ferrari have got poll and Mercedes have won either without passing on track or by passing with an enormous tyre differential. Obviously a part of that is the Mercedes looking after its tyres better and hence giving them more flexibility on strategy; but I'd say that makes up less than half of such races.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 20th November 09:06

You can look at it that way or you could see Hamilton as the real difference, certainly mistakes have been made in the Ferrari camp strategy and driver errors, but Hamilton doesn't seem to make major mistakes that often and can drive the car beyond its capabilities as we saw in Brazil he's always in the mix regardless.

[E34-3.2]

Evangelion said:

sparta6 said:

Gotta feel for Albon being punted off, 2nd to nowhere.

As I said before, you punt somebody off that close to the end, you should have your finishing positions swapped in the results

Albon's words:

"Of course I wanted the podium and I felt like we deserved it, but that’s it, really. I’m a bit upset but it’s racing and we’ll focus on Abu Dhabi."

No drama and a professional racer.

No need to change the history and rules of formula 1 for a few upset Hamilton haters.

[Exige77]

Wills2 said:

kambites said:

Wills2 said:

Tells you how good he is then to win the WDC....

Or how badly Ferrari have failed to capitalise on the fact that Mercedes can't really overtake. Just look at the number of races where Ferrari have got poll and Mercedes have won either without passing on track or by passing with an enormous tyre differential. Obviously a part of that is the Mercedes looking after its tyres better and hence giving them more flexibility on strategy; but I'd say that makes up less than half of such races.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 20th November 09:06

You can look at it that way or you could see Hamilton as the real difference, certainly mistakes have been made in the Ferrari camp strategy and driver errors, but Hamilton doesn't seem to make major mistakes that often and can drive the car beyond its capabilities as we saw in Brazil he's always in the mix regardless.

Disastrous weekend for Hamilton and Mercedes but somehow both came out extending their leads in the already won WDC/WCC.

The red team always on hand to help out

[Evangelion]

E34-3.2 said:

... No need to change the history and rules of formula 1 for a few upset Hamilton haters.

Didn't say I was a Hamilton hater, indeed my opinion was formed when I saw him being punted off.

Indeed I have to say that Hamilton seems to me, to be a very 'clean' driver who is very seldom involved in collisions

Once when he pushed Vettel off at Monza, and a couple with his own team mate. That's all I can recall.

[cuprabob]

Evangelion said:

Once when he pushed Vettel off at Monza, and a couple with his own team mate. That's all I can recall.

Massa might have a slightly different view

[HTP99]

cuprabob said:

Evangelion said:

Once when he pushed Vettel off at Monza, and a couple with his own team mate. That's all I can recall.

Massa might have a slightly different view

Lol, what year was it when they seemed to be magnetised to each other?

[cuprabob]

HTP99 said:

cuprabob said:

Evangelion said:

Once when he pushed Vettel off at Monza, and a couple with his own team mate. That's all I can recall.

Massa might have a slightly different view

Lol, what year was it when they seemed to be magnetised to each other?

Can't remember what year it was. He also rear ended Kimi in the pitlane. To be fair though he is a totally different driver these days and those days are long gone, like the selective memory of his fans

[Wills2]

Exige77 said:

Wills2 said:

kambites said:

Wills2 said:

Tells you how good he is then to win the WDC....

Or how badly Ferrari have failed to capitalise on the fact that Mercedes can't really overtake. Just look at the number of races where Ferrari have got poll and Mercedes have won either without passing on track or by passing with an enormous tyre differential. Obviously a part of that is the Mercedes looking after its tyres better and hence giving them more flexibility on strategy; but I'd say that makes up less than half of such races.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 20th November 09:06

You can look at it that way or you could see Hamilton as the real difference, certainly mistakes have been made in the Ferrari camp strategy and driver errors, but Hamilton doesn't seem to make major mistakes that often and can drive the car beyond its capabilities as we saw in Brazil he's always in the mix regardless.

Disastrous weekend for Hamilton and Mercedes but somehow both came out extending their leads in the already won WDC/WCC.

The red team always on hand to help out

Ferrari really need to sort out Fingers/CLC, you could have put Magnussen and Grosjean in that car this season and results would have been about the same....We could have been fking rockstars Gene....

[glazbagun]

cuprabob said:

HTP99 said:

cuprabob said:

Evangelion said:

Once when he pushed Vettel off at Monza, and a couple with his own team mate. That's all I can recall.

Massa might have a slightly different view

Lol, what year was it when they seemed to be magnetised to each other?

Can't remember what year it was. He also rear ended Kimi in the pitlane. To be fair though he is a totally different driver these days and those days are long gone, like the selective memory of his fans

Rosberg did the same thing in the same pitlane. To think there were three WDC's in a traffic light crash!

[anonymous-user]

vdn said:

That’s racing; it happens.

Swapping places like that is insane and wouldn’t work.

Also; where’s the line drawn? - with this incident; whilst Hamilton apologised; Albon actually shouldered some of the blame... so in this case, he shouldn’t get the place as being described above.

Would have thought the stewards would have seen it as a racing incident and gone a bit easier.

Hamilton hugging the inside didn't seem to deny racing room, but Albon may not have seen it with the mirrors and committed to a line and speed. Could Albon have tried to open the line and leave space at the last moment, perhaps?

May have just been one of those things going into a tight turn.

[rdjohn]

I think that it would be logical to suppose that in the penultimate round with both championships in the bag, Lewis was quite happy to take the hit - and in the meantime help Albon establish himself.

I think in similar circumstances in the second race of 2020, he might not be so quick to cal mea culpa.