Formula 1 Pre-season Testing February 2020
Discussion
LawrieC said:
Why don't the press understand the difference between toe-out and camber?
Adjustable suspension has already been banned, so adjustable steering will follow
Getting rid of the toe out should give them a few more mph top speed - nothing earth shattering, and the front tyres won't run as hot, but will heat up under braking so should be warm enough by the time you reach the corner
Will they run zero toe out in the very fast corners - there might be more advantage there.
They don’t understand if they’re looking from the top of the car, or the driver’s view. The video yesterday posted above here showed the effect very clearly. Adjustable suspension has already been banned, so adjustable steering will follow
Getting rid of the toe out should give them a few more mph top speed - nothing earth shattering, and the front tyres won't run as hot, but will heat up under braking so should be warm enough by the time you reach the corner
Will they run zero toe out in the very fast corners - there might be more advantage there.
I’d have thought the main side effect would be that they can run a lot more toe-out for the rest of the lap, given they don’t have to compromise on the straights.
Bottas already running round faster than his Q1 time at Barcelona last year, and on the medium tyres too.
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Friday 21st February 10:40
We know someone at mercedes f1 and I occasionally post a couple of technical insights on PH, they’re often vague however as I’m not sure just how much each department knows about the other’s.
From what dad was told yesterday, this system has taken them 1+ year to develop so I wouldn’t expect the other teams to jump on it for this season. I think he said a couple of years-he’s over in Spain so I only got a brief chat. Other than that all we know is what has been reported in the press and as far as I’m aware it’s still a guess as to it’s true use (toe/tyres etc).
From what dad was told yesterday, this system has taken them 1+ year to develop so I wouldn’t expect the other teams to jump on it for this season. I think he said a couple of years-he’s over in Spain so I only got a brief chat. Other than that all we know is what has been reported in the press and as far as I’m aware it’s still a guess as to it’s true use (toe/tyres etc).
ArnageWRC said:
kambites said:
I think more likely the opposite, that Mercedes went to the FIA asking about this sytem which lead the FIA to conclude that (1) it's legal and (2) they should make it illegal for next year.
That's probably pretty accurate.Have to laugh though; F1 touts itself as the pinnacle of motorsport/ technology, yet when anything interesting is introduced, it usually gets banned.
I would tend to agree that the governing body needs to keep runaway development in check to try and make it a level playing field, or at least try to.
On the one hand you have to hand it to Merc for coming up with this. Any of the other teams could’ve done something similar, or indeed different, but didn’t. If it falls within the rules then it should be allowed. On the other hand the sport, or at least the spectacle for a layperson, does not need another season of total Mercedes dominance.
Durzel said:
It’s still (supposed to be) a competitive sport though, and at this level any significant development of tech leading to an advantage is going to have a disproportionate effect on the other teams (i.e. they could go from having a fair shake of the dice to having no chance at all save for retirements).
It's a competitive team sport. If a team comes up with an idea within the rules which makes their car much faster than the others it just means they're better at the sport than the competition and hence deserve to win. F1 has always been 90% competitive engineering and 10% competitive driving. I do agree about the spactacle though. Sadly (or at least IMO it's sad) most fans are more interested in the 10% than the 90%. For me, it wouldn't be Formula-1 without things like this. At least it looks like the FIA are going to let it run for this season.
Edited by kambites on Friday 21st February 10:58
Durzel said:
It’s still (supposed to be) a competitive sport though, and at this level any significant development of tech leading to an advantage is going to have a disproportionate effect on the other teams (i.e. they could go from having a fair shake of the dice to having no chance at all save for retirements).
I would tend to agree that the governing body needs to keep runaway development in check to try and make it a level playing field, or at least try to.
On the one hand you have to hand it to Merc for coming up with this. Any of the other teams could’ve done something similar, or indeed different, but didn’t. If it falls within the rules then it should be allowed. On the other hand the sport, or at least the spectacle for a layperson, does not need another season of total Mercedes dominance.
This is nonsense: it's a competitive team sport & Mercedes are the best team. They've come up with a (possibly) brilliant engineering solution which is what F1 is supposed to be about.I would tend to agree that the governing body needs to keep runaway development in check to try and make it a level playing field, or at least try to.
On the one hand you have to hand it to Merc for coming up with this. Any of the other teams could’ve done something similar, or indeed different, but didn’t. If it falls within the rules then it should be allowed. On the other hand the sport, or at least the spectacle for a layperson, does not need another season of total Mercedes dominance.
By your argument Liverpool should be made to play with 10 men to give the others a chance.
TheDeuce said:
Sandpit Steve said:
1:15.7 now, 3/10ths away from last years pole time! This Mercedes is a monster.
Indeed. And this is the start of their testing efforts too. Astonishing stuff.NRS said:
What people are forgetting on this thread is that the technical requirement 24.1.1 state that Ash absolutely hates Hamilton, and since this benefits him then it must be illegal.
This.& seems most posts on the legality are based on which driver/ team people support rather than any interpretation of the rules
Supersam83 said:
Holy poop!
Bottas sets a 1:15.732!
Pole position and lap record is 1:15.406
Mercedes Benz have created a monster!
As the BBC point out on their blog, Hamilton managed a 1:16.9 on hards (a tyre five grades harder than the ultra-softs Bottas used for the 1:15.7) at the start of a long stint on the first day, which is arguably more ominous. Either way Mercedes look to have made a big step on from last year. Lets hope others have managed to do the same. Bottas sets a 1:15.732!
Pole position and lap record is 1:15.406
Mercedes Benz have created a monster!
Some might find the Mercedes dominance boring, but when a team really comes together as they have - you just have to stand back and applaud really.
I'm kind of hoping we see a 1998/Mclaren level of domination at the start, with the other teams throwing everything at it to close the gap.
Brilliance done well is always worth watching. (Not even a huge Merc fan, despite how it sounds)
I'm kind of hoping we see a 1998/Mclaren level of domination at the start, with the other teams throwing everything at it to close the gap.
Brilliance done well is always worth watching. (Not even a huge Merc fan, despite how it sounds)
BrettMRC said:
Some might find the Mercedes dominance boring, but when a team really comes together as they have - you just have to stand back and applaud really.
I'm kind of hoping we see a 1998/Mclaren level of domination at the start, with the other teams throwing everything at it to close the gap.
Brilliance done well is always worth watching. (Not even a huge Merc fan, despite how it sounds)
It's only boring if there's nothing else going on. We should have both the brilliance of the Merc to admire, plus I think battles between Ferrari-Redbull, and McLaren-Racingpoint. Possibly even all 4 if there's any issue with the Ferrari donkey.I'm kind of hoping we see a 1998/Mclaren level of domination at the start, with the other teams throwing everything at it to close the gap.
Brilliance done well is always worth watching. (Not even a huge Merc fan, despite how it sounds)
BrettMRC said:
Some might find the Mercedes dominance boring, but when a team really comes together as they have - you just have to stand back and applaud really.
I'm kind of hoping we see a 1998/Mclaren level of domination at the start, with the other teams throwing everything at it to close the gap.
Brilliance done well is always worth watching. (Not even a huge Merc fan, despite how it sounds)
That's what we had last year; for six(?) races Mercedes were so dominant everyone said it was the end for F1 & I hoped that they would every race in the season as at least that would be a major achievement. As it turned out the other teams came back & we had an excellent season of racing.I'm kind of hoping we see a 1998/Mclaren level of domination at the start, with the other teams throwing everything at it to close the gap.
Brilliance done well is always worth watching. (Not even a huge Merc fan, despite how it sounds)
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