F1 cancelled this year?

F1 cancelled this year?

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TheDeuce

5,160 posts

20 months

Monday 23rd March
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Well.. whatever the ins and outs of advertising, what we can all agree on I hope is that the entirety of F1, management, teams, drivers and so on all rely heavily on advertising/marketing. The entire sport is a spectacle find tuned to attract massive sponsorship.

If the spectacle doesn't happen in 2020, everyone involved takes a huge financial hit. The sponsors aren't going to pay for zero exposure..

What a mess! And will any of the various government support schemes be applicable to the unusual way F1 teams are funded and operated?

I've a feeling the crisis will have passed some time before the full impact on F1 can be calculated and any firm 2021 onward plans are put together.

Teppic

5,588 posts

211 months

Monday 23rd March
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I see that Baku is now set to be postponed.

Fundoreen

1,428 posts

37 months

Monday 23rd March
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They put on the full brazil race from 2016 yesterday on youtube f1 channel . If they do this once a week those with short memorys can get the weekly F1 fix on sunday with the bonus you can watch it 'live' at the time that suits you.

NM62

648 posts

104 months

Monday 23rd March
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TheDeuce said:
Eric Mc said:
I started hoarding in October 2019. I had a premonition.
This panic buying shortage reminded me of a neat bit of wisdom from Lister in Red Dwarf.

All you need is three sheets per visit: one up, one down, the third sheet to polish.

That was in the 1990's smile
You were never in the forces out in the field then - 1 sheet was all that was required

Teppic

5,588 posts

211 months

Monday 23rd March
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Baku has now been officially postponed. The earliest race of the season is now scheduled to be Canada, but that’s probably likely to be called off too.

At this rate there isn’t going to be a 2020 season.

Gazzab

17,966 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd March
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There will not be a 2020 season.

WestyCarl

2,354 posts

79 months

Monday 23rd March
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Teppic said:
At this rate there isn’t going to be a 2020 season.
I think that nmay be the case.

Derek Smith

36,228 posts

202 months

Monday 23rd March
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TheDeuce said:
Eric Mc said:
I can get very emotional over toilet roll.
You have toilet roll? Where'd that come from???

I've been on tea towels for a week.
In a Mothers' Day card, one of our kids incuded three sheets of toilet paper. That gave us a laugh; laughter's an emotion.

A couple of months ago, I went through Which? reports with my eldest, a mature and sensible bloke who is generally 'careful' with his money, to help him decide what car to buy. There was one clear winner. Imagine my surprise to discover that he'd opted for a joint second placed Mini. He admits it was on emotion. He wanted something 'different', so bought a car that lots of other people have bought.

The advertising campaign for the rebodied Golf that was the new Beetle was clearly all emotion.

Target audiences would be precision engineered with all the data these companies have. They will have different adverts for different locations. One magazine spread will differ from another. I know a bit about this targeting on data, at least enough to know I don't know much. But it's good.

Advertising has never been so precise. In email marketing, the Subject Line of the email will have been tested many times and there will be specific ones for specfic segregated marketing lists. Not only that, some will send one SL early in the week but a diffeent one on a Friday.

They are out to get you by influencing your opinions. Irritatingly, they are very successful.

I write on the matter. It was my job eons ago. I've had an interest in graphic adverts all my working life. Yet I'm just as gullible as everyone else. There will be a marketing list just for those like me.

It's a fascinating skill; art really. The things I did when I first started work are now like the Writght Brothers' airplane compared to a Tornado.

There is no defence. You are being targeted. You are being hit.

Fundoreen

1,428 posts

37 months

Monday 23rd March
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I still think a lot of the races can be run later in the year. Providing we get an all clear on the virus.
Its not like everyone had their ideal date is it? I bet some of them would gladly run later in the year and there is no reason the race dates cant run on into next year.
People starved of sport will mean bumper viewing figures over the winter.
Obviously you hope for the best and it can all work.
Will be very exciting for the teams as well as they would have been sat around doing nothing.

Gazzab

17,966 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd March
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Fundoreen said:
I still think a lot of the races can be run later in the year. Providing we get an all clear on the virus.
Its not like everyone had their ideal date is it? I bet some of them would gladly run later in the year and there is no reason the race dates cant run on into next year.
People starved of sport will mean bumper viewing figures over the winter.
Obviously you hope for the best and it can all work.
Will be very exciting for the teams as well as they would have been sat around doing nothing.
Nope there will be no racing this year.

The Hypno-Toad

9,964 posts

159 months

Monday 23rd March
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No racing this year.

We already know there will be no 2021 rule changes.

Merging with Formula E 2022.

The manufacturers and sponsors won’t be able to afford two series. The manufacturers believe electric is the future. Remember where you heard it first. wink

Petrus1983

3,537 posts

116 months

Monday 23rd March
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Gazzab said:
Fundoreen said:
I still think a lot of the races can be run later in the year. Providing we get an all clear on the virus.
Its not like everyone had their ideal date is it? I bet some of them would gladly run later in the year and there is no reason the race dates cant run on into next year.
People starved of sport will mean bumper viewing figures over the winter.
Obviously you hope for the best and it can all work.
Will be very exciting for the teams as well as they would have been sat around doing nothing.
Nope there will be no racing this year.
I was overly optimistic back on the Thursday before the Australian GP and was proved wrong. However I am beginning to feel there won’t be racing this year. If a bunch of countries come down like Wuhan, Italy, Spain, possibly us next - will there even be an appetite for it? I think we’ll also get an imminent answer on the Olympics too.

Gazzab

17,966 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd March
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You just need to look at the numbers....we are in lock down now, we won’t suddenly see everyone having had it and/or a vaccine applied. It won’t be possible to release us all back into normal life for many many months as this will just mean another sharp uplift in cases.
There is no way a global circus sport will be allowed to restart until the virus is under control or eradicated. That will take a long time.

TheDeuce

5,160 posts

20 months

Monday 23rd March
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Fundoreen said:
I still think a lot of the races can be run later in the year. Providing we get an all clear on the virus.
Its not like everyone had their ideal date is it? I bet some of them would gladly run later in the year and there is no reason the race dates cant run on into next year.
People starved of sport will mean bumper viewing figures over the winter.
Obviously you hope for the best and it can all work.
Will be very exciting for the teams as well as they would have been sat around doing nothing.
Those are all sound reasons why racing could and should return late in the year. Sadly there are also lots of other also sound reasons that I really don't think it will. Mostly economic reasons, also logistical problems - such as needing to know months in advance for shipping etc.

Unless there is widespread belief that enough races could run to equal a championship, it would tempting for all involved to call quits this year in plenty of time to focus on when and how they can get the sport back on its feet next year.

RDMcG

14,923 posts

161 months

Monday 23rd March
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TheDeuce said:
Those are all sound reasons why racing could and should return late in the year. Sadly there are also lots of other also sound reasons that I really don't think it will. Mostly economic reasons, also logistical problems - such as needing to know months in advance for shipping etc.

Unless there is widespread belief that enough races could run to equal a championship, it would tempting for all involved to call quits this year in plenty of time to focus on when and how they can get the sport back on its feet next year.
How about a non-championshiop season with relaxed rules where the teams could try anything?...would be fascinating to see what ideas come out. I am doubtful of any season but would be very happy to be completely wrong.

Petrus1983

3,537 posts

116 months

Monday 23rd March
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Just an idea. If they put a total development freeze in place right now, cancelled the season in total, and everyone turned up in Australia 2021 with this years car - surely that could save the teams a fortune?

Clockwork Cupcake

63,432 posts

226 months

Monday 23rd March
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Petrus1983 said:
Just an idea. If they put a total development freeze in place right now, cancelled the season in total, and everyone turned up in Australia 2021 with this years car - surely that could save the teams a fortune?
It's a nice idea, but how would you police that? Store all current cars in Parc Ferme conditions in a warehouse somewhere?

The teams would still continue to develop upgrades though and the cars would be pretty much rebuilt with upgrades the moment the teams got them back for the first race.

Krikkit

18,291 posts

135 months

Monday 23rd March
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Petrus1983 said:
Just an idea. If they put a total development freeze in place right now, cancelled the season in total, and everyone turned up in Australia 2021 with this years car - surely that could save the teams a fortune?
It's a nice idea, but how would you police that? Store all current cars in Parc Ferme conditions in a warehouse somewhere?

The teams would still continue to develop upgrades though and the cars would be pretty much rebuilt with upgrades the moment the teams got them back for the first race.
And if you did enforce no development, they'd lay off hundreds of staff until they were needed again in another year.

sparta6

1,703 posts

54 months

Monday 23rd March
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Gazzab said:
You just need to look at the numbers....we are in lock down now, we won’t suddenly see everyone having had it and/or a vaccine applied. It won’t be possible to release us all back into normal life for many many months as this will just mean another sharp uplift in cases.
There is no way a global circus sport will be allowed to restart until the virus is under control or eradicated. That will take a long time.
A Billionaire's circus no less.

A 1,000 people per team to run a couple of cars around in circles is not entirely relevant in the oncoming recession.

If F1 can become more compact and attract true independent teams with 100 staff it might just have a valid argument to survive.

REALIST123

13,393 posts

107 months

Monday 23rd March
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sparta6 said:
Gazzab said:
You just need to look at the numbers....we are in lock down now, we won’t suddenly see everyone having had it and/or a vaccine applied. It won’t be possible to release us all back into normal life for many many months as this will just mean another sharp uplift in cases.
There is no way a global circus sport will be allowed to restart until the virus is under control or eradicated. That will take a long time.
A Billionaire's circus no less.

A 1,000 people per team to run a couple of cars around in circles is not entirely relevant in the oncoming recession.

If F1 can become more compact and attract true independent teams with 100 staff it might just have a valid argument to survive.
1000 people a team? Not really. Several teams have direct employee numbers greater than that, not to mention those indirectly employed.

It would be a huge blow to several economies for it to disappear. Which is what you’re apparently suggesting.

Similarly, ‘to run a couple of cars around in circles’ misses the point too.