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thegreenhell said:
Apparently Hockenheim is now the favourite to replace Silverstone on the provisional calendar, in order to get around the UK quarantine rules. This would mean that UK teams would have to go on the road for a number of races in succession without returning home, although they could send cars and parts between the factory and whichever race track they were visiting, if necessary.
Suits me, whatever is workable is fine. Would be a shame imo in general for the UK to pursue blanket quarantine but that's a different topic really...thegreenhell said:
Apparently Hockenheim is now the favourite to replace Silverstone on the provisional calendar, in order to get around the UK quarantine rules. This would mean that UK teams would have to go on the road for a number of races in succession without returning home, although they could send cars and parts between the factory and whichever race track they were visiting, if necessary.
Yes I was looking at this and wondering how feasible that will really be. F1 released their intended provisional calendar a few days ago and from memory it had a race on every weekend from mid July to the start of October with the exception of maybe two weekends. Surely the requirement to quarantine when moving from country to country rules out all of those back to back meetings taking place?
That being said I am sure their calendar was highly provisional anyway.
TwentyFive said:
Yes I was looking at this and wondering how feasible that will really be. F1 released their intended provisional calendar a few days ago and from memory it had a race on every weekend from mid July to the start of October with the exception of maybe two weekends.
Surely the requirement to quarantine when moving from country to country rules out all of those back to back meetings taking place?
That being said I am sure their calendar was highly provisional anyway.
It also depends which countries the teams move between. Not all will have quarantine rules in force, possibly hardly any come the dates F1 are looking at.Surely the requirement to quarantine when moving from country to country rules out all of those back to back meetings taking place?
That being said I am sure their calendar was highly provisional anyway.
F1 don't know what the situation will be on the dates in question either - but they have to plan for the best as well as the worst, and it's likely travel will be far easier in the very near future in 'enough' areas.
At the moment it's looking like most of the Schengen Area countries will not have quarantines amongst themselves, just for outside visitors. This would potentially allow the F1 teams to do a series of back to back races in Austria, Germany, Italy, Hungary and Belgium, for example, before returning to base for a mini break to refresh, quarantine if necessary, and then hit the road again for the second half of the season.
thegreenhell said:
At the moment it's looking like most of the Schengen Area countries will not have quarantines amongst themselves, just for outside visitors. This would potentially allow the F1 teams to do a series of back to back races in Austria, Germany, Italy, Hungary and Belgium, for example, before returning to base for a mini break to refresh, quarantine if necessary, and then hit the road again for the second half of the season.
Double a couple of those up and you get a season. Not a very grand one but still.. The fact other areas are allowing free passage must start to place economic and social pressure on the rest to open too. Not least the UK where we're bringing in quarantine so late on it's hard to see the point - and it seems just crude and short-sighted to not make obvious exemptions for work/business in general
We are not bringing in quarantine late. Have you not seen all the photos of all the planes parked up, or the closed down airports? Not heard Branson, O'Leary and Walsh moaning?
No one was coming to the UK for a holiday or to do business when it was closed. People returning home from abroad were almost quarantined anyway because of the strict lock down.
The few people that were coming into the UK were not the main reason why the Virus took hold and spread in April. Now that it has been contained, lock down is being relaxed, and more flights are planned to resume next month, it is now appropriate to bring in a quarantine.
No one was coming to the UK for a holiday or to do business when it was closed. People returning home from abroad were almost quarantined anyway because of the strict lock down.
The few people that were coming into the UK were not the main reason why the Virus took hold and spread in April. Now that it has been contained, lock down is being relaxed, and more flights are planned to resume next month, it is now appropriate to bring in a quarantine.
LucyP said:
We are not bringing in quarantine late. Have you not seen all the photos of all the planes parked up, or the closed down airports? Not heard Branson, O'Leary and Walsh moaning?
No one was coming to the UK for a holiday or to do business when it was closed. People returning home from abroad were almost quarantined anyway because of the strict lock down.
The few people that were coming into the UK were not the main reason why the Virus took hold and spread in April. Now that it has been contained, lock down is being relaxed, and more flights are planned to resume next month, it is now appropriate to bring in a quarantine.
That was a lot of words to point out the obvious. Yes... When no one was flying in or out quarantine wouldn't have been very useful would it..No one was coming to the UK for a holiday or to do business when it was closed. People returning home from abroad were almost quarantined anyway because of the strict lock down.
The few people that were coming into the UK were not the main reason why the Virus took hold and spread in April. Now that it has been contained, lock down is being relaxed, and more flights are planned to resume next month, it is now appropriate to bring in a quarantine.
As other countries, quarantine ahead of lockdown and the peak might have been quite useful however.
As for now, it increasingly appears to be something the government were more keen to talk about than they are to fast track and discussions of exclusions seem to be dragging out. Suspect the 'air bridge' scheme will make 'not for leisure' travel possible very soon after quarantine is enforced, if not at the same time. And then expanded later on to allow for leisure travel, all being well.
Im dubious now about any races in places with poor leadership like Brazil/usa/russia and plenty or others like maybe even the uk.
Without getting too political Boris it trying to belatedly look serious by not letting the f1 go ahead. So many events went ahead while he was asleep. But people are on the beaches in the 1000s as we speak. Very puzzling.
Elsewhere if they can get a travelling circus in and set up a tented city in the track boundry it would seem like the best option.
If it was my job I would be delighted to be part of an exciting change of pace to the drudgery of checking in and out of hotels and trawling the bars and food joints downtown.
Its the pointless swarms of rich and famous that like to be seen on the grid that will moan as well as the press people excluded from their beano.
I guess its likely them feeding the negative slant on all this.
Without getting too political Boris it trying to belatedly look serious by not letting the f1 go ahead. So many events went ahead while he was asleep. But people are on the beaches in the 1000s as we speak. Very puzzling.
Elsewhere if they can get a travelling circus in and set up a tented city in the track boundry it would seem like the best option.
If it was my job I would be delighted to be part of an exciting change of pace to the drudgery of checking in and out of hotels and trawling the bars and food joints downtown.
Its the pointless swarms of rich and famous that like to be seen on the grid that will moan as well as the press people excluded from their beano.
I guess its likely them feeding the negative slant on all this.
Deuce - You were the one saying that quarantine should have been brought in earlier. I just pointed out why your statement was a nonsense.
Fundoreen - It's not about Boris now trying to look serious. It's about if you make an exemption for one thing, then everyone will want an exemption. As you point out from the clowns on the beaches, some people are fed up with it all now, and are not taking it seriously any longer, in spite of the fact that the new infection rate per week is still more than 50,000 per week in the UK.
If you exempt a couple of thousand people (at least) to run an F1 race, then there will be an outcry from all the businesses who are more important than F1 as to why they cannot get going, and people will ask why they can't do what they want, especially people who have an anti-body test which shows that they have had Corona and are likely immune from transmitting or receiving the infection. Why can't they pack a pub or fly to Majorca?
And you're idea about a large tented village and it being a welcome change from the drudgery of hotels and fans is just preposterous. Stick them all in one giant petri-dish? FIA personnel, Drivers, teams, officials, marshals, medics, circuit staff, tv production. Bring them in before the first weekend of racing and keep them there until after the second weekend of racing is over? Are they going to socially distance, or all just sleep on the floor next to each other like some WW2 Japanese POW camp?
No wonder the British GP is going to be held in Hockenheim!
Fundoreen - It's not about Boris now trying to look serious. It's about if you make an exemption for one thing, then everyone will want an exemption. As you point out from the clowns on the beaches, some people are fed up with it all now, and are not taking it seriously any longer, in spite of the fact that the new infection rate per week is still more than 50,000 per week in the UK.
If you exempt a couple of thousand people (at least) to run an F1 race, then there will be an outcry from all the businesses who are more important than F1 as to why they cannot get going, and people will ask why they can't do what they want, especially people who have an anti-body test which shows that they have had Corona and are likely immune from transmitting or receiving the infection. Why can't they pack a pub or fly to Majorca?
And you're idea about a large tented village and it being a welcome change from the drudgery of hotels and fans is just preposterous. Stick them all in one giant petri-dish? FIA personnel, Drivers, teams, officials, marshals, medics, circuit staff, tv production. Bring them in before the first weekend of racing and keep them there until after the second weekend of racing is over? Are they going to socially distance, or all just sleep on the floor next to each other like some WW2 Japanese POW camp?
No wonder the British GP is going to be held in Hockenheim!
LucyP said:
Deuce - You were the one saying that quarantine should have been brought in earlier. I just pointed out why your statement was a nonsense.
Fundoreen - It's not about Boris now trying to look serious. It's about if you make an exemption for one thing, then everyone will want an exemption. As you point out from the clowns on the beaches, some people are fed up with it all now, and are not taking it seriously any longer, in spite of the fact that the new infection rate per week is still more than 50,000 per week in the UK.
If you exempt a couple of thousand people (at least) to run an F1 race, then there will be an outcry from all the businesses who are more important than F1 as to why they cannot get going, and people will ask why they can't do what they want, especially people who have an anti-body test which shows that they have had Corona and are likely immune from transmitting or receiving the infection. Why can't they pack a pub or fly to Majorca?
And you're idea about a large tented village and it being a welcome change from the drudgery of hotels and fans is just preposterous. Stick them all in one giant petri-dish? FIA personnel, Drivers, teams, officials, marshals, medics, circuit staff, tv production. Bring them in before the first weekend of racing and keep them there until after the second weekend of racing is over? Are they going to socially distance, or all just sleep on the floor next to each other like some WW2 Japanese POW camp?
No wonder the British GP is going to be held in Hockenheim!
What a load of tedious prattle. You type as if you're squirming in your seat, just can't get the words down fast enough as the distance between what people are actually saying and what you're reacting to becomes more and more extreme. You must need a lie down after each of the sermons you gift to us Fundoreen - It's not about Boris now trying to look serious. It's about if you make an exemption for one thing, then everyone will want an exemption. As you point out from the clowns on the beaches, some people are fed up with it all now, and are not taking it seriously any longer, in spite of the fact that the new infection rate per week is still more than 50,000 per week in the UK.
If you exempt a couple of thousand people (at least) to run an F1 race, then there will be an outcry from all the businesses who are more important than F1 as to why they cannot get going, and people will ask why they can't do what they want, especially people who have an anti-body test which shows that they have had Corona and are likely immune from transmitting or receiving the infection. Why can't they pack a pub or fly to Majorca?
And you're idea about a large tented village and it being a welcome change from the drudgery of hotels and fans is just preposterous. Stick them all in one giant petri-dish? FIA personnel, Drivers, teams, officials, marshals, medics, circuit staff, tv production. Bring them in before the first weekend of racing and keep them there until after the second weekend of racing is over? Are they going to socially distance, or all just sleep on the floor next to each other like some WW2 Japanese POW camp?
No wonder the British GP is going to be held in Hockenheim!
Read my post again.. I said earlier as in ahead of lockdown. Not during, that would be pointless.
Calm down.
LucyP said:
It's not about Boris now trying to look serious. It's about if you make an exemption for one thing, then everyone will want an exemption. As you point out from the clowns on the beaches, some people are fed up with it all now, and are not taking it seriously any longer, in spite of the fact that the new infection rate per week is still more than 50,000 per week in the UK.
If you exempt a couple of thousand people (at least) to run an F1 race, then there will be an outcry from all the businesses who are more important than F1 as to why they cannot get going, and people will ask why they can't do what they want, especially people who have an anti-body test which shows that they have had Corona and are likely immune from transmitting or receiving the infection. Why can't they pack a pub or fly to Majorca?
That's not entirely correct. The best way to stimulate the economy is to provide exemptions dependant on Industry if they can put forward a clear plan for the management of risk during business operation. A blanket ban simply crashes everything. The reality is certain industries carry far lower inherent risk of transmission due to the simple fact that their public interaction is less. The F1 circus being one of those. If you exempt a couple of thousand people (at least) to run an F1 race, then there will be an outcry from all the businesses who are more important than F1 as to why they cannot get going, and people will ask why they can't do what they want, especially people who have an anti-body test which shows that they have had Corona and are likely immune from transmitting or receiving the infection. Why can't they pack a pub or fly to Majorca?
If certain industries can continue to operate then they absolutely should be granted an exemption to do so. If people think they deserve an exemption because an different industry that operates in a completely different way got granted one then that's just sour grapes and I am not saying that just because I love F1. I work in a government department working to keep the economy functioning during the CV19 outbreak whilst mitigating risk and this is a key area of it.
As for allowing those with immunity to travel.... firstly I am not aware that they have totally confirmed you become immune after CV19, it is hoped that proves to be the case. But the issue is not about those with immunity travelling or going to the pub, the issue is that in order to prove the ability to operate safely, the supplier (be that airline or pub landlord) would need to be able to confirm that those customers are indeed immune. How do they do that? You are reliant on customers honesty and as this lockdown has often proved, there are a lot of idiots out there who either don't care or understand. They just want a beer. It simply doesn't work, so you mitigate the risk by placing limitations on those types of industry and stimulate the economy in others.
F1 could be managed in such a way to quarantine team members appropriately and still provide a race calendar. Simply saying no to all businesses wishing to function ASAP to appease the masses is narrow minded and will do longer term damage to the economy that a phased opening of industries will.
LucyP said:
And you're idea about a large tented village and it being a welcome change from the drudgery of hotels and fans is just preposterous. Stick them all in one giant petri-dish? FIA personnel, Drivers, teams, officials, marshals, medics, circuit staff, tv production. Bring them in before the first weekend of racing and keep them there until after the second weekend of racing is over? Are they going to socially distance, or all just sleep on the floor next to each other like some WW2 Japanese POW camp?
No wonder the British GP is going to be held in Hockenheim!
You simply use the British Army field barrack design, which has it's design philosophy rooted in what they learned as a result of the 1918 spanish flu.No wonder the British GP is going to be held in Hockenheim!
Those distances between beds used didn't just happen, they found the required minimum to prevent transmission and have carried that forward to today.
One thing race circuits are not short of is space to build such a facility.
TheDeuce said:
What a load of tedious prattle. You type as if you're squirming in your seat, just can't get the words down fast enough as the distance between what people are actually saying and what you're reacting to becomes more and more extreme. You must need a lie down after each of the sermons you gift to us
Read my post again.. I said earlier as in ahead of lockdown. Not during, that would be pointless.
Calm down.
You posted nonsense. I exposed it as nonsense. Try admitting you posted nonsense instead of insulting me. Read my post again.. I said earlier as in ahead of lockdown. Not during, that would be pointless.
Calm down.
LucyP said:
So do they also allow WSBK to go ahead at Donington Park at the beginning of July? Waive the quarantine for that also? Why waive it for motorsport, but not for business or for people with an anti-body test? How is that sensible?
Major sport events are probably the easiest thing to write a safe protocol for, certainly easier than a general policy for the majority sectors because they can be self contained. LucyP said:
TheDeuce said:
What a load of tedious prattle. You type as if you're squirming in your seat, just can't get the words down fast enough as the distance between what people are actually saying and what you're reacting to becomes more and more extreme. You must need a lie down after each of the sermons you gift to us
Read my post again.. I said earlier as in ahead of lockdown. Not during, that would be pointless.
Calm down.
You posted nonsense. I exposed it as nonsense. Try admitting you posted nonsense instead of insulting me. Read my post again.. I said earlier as in ahead of lockdown. Not during, that would be pointless.
Calm down.
As for insulting you... I'd rather you insulted me than drone on the way you do.
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