F1 cancelled this year?
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RemarkLima said:
As Rallycross says, China is still shutdown... Chinese car manufacturering plants should have opened 2 weeks ago, and they are now say 14th March! It's a huge impact and wouldn't be a decision taken lightly.
And this is in China!! They can hardly be called snowflakes with all the human rights abuse, draconian laws and police state...
Interesting though, if the F1 year was cancelled, would they delay the 2021 regs a year and let everyone race this years cars??
Also demand for cars in China has just disappeared. Even when production starts, not a lot will be produced. Still big stocks of new unsold cars from before CNY shutdownAnd this is in China!! They can hardly be called snowflakes with all the human rights abuse, draconian laws and police state...
Interesting though, if the F1 year was cancelled, would they delay the 2021 regs a year and let everyone race this years cars??
Edited by RemarkLima on Sunday 1st March 08:21
rallycross said:
I doubt we get any accurate news / TV / press info out of China, you can’t use google or twitter once you are in there, what we see is controlled by the state.
I’m in the U.K. so I only know the same as the rest of us, but from someone I know who lives in N Italy and speaks with his factory in China 5 days a week, some of things I’ve heard include:
China
The workers were supposed to go back to the factories at the end of Chineese new year, Feb 8th - but the government said wait plus 2 weeks (no pay) so this week commencing 25th should see things back to normal.
His factory is in Wuhaan with over 3,000 employees, this week only 20 people turned up for work. They work on 1/2/4 week shifts and get bus travel in to the factories travelling up
To 24 hour’s to get there - and stay there for. 7 to 28 days. No one turned up. His company now has a 2 month delay to all deliveries and has had to notify clients that there will be a’2 Month delay (min).
His daily call with the factory team leader in China is a Skype call, all the family seem to get involved, the sister of the main factory contact is a nurse in Wuhaan, she said on one of these calls the death rate is 13% not <2% which is whats reported here on the news.
Italy
The Lombardy region (north Italy ) this week the government told all cafe owners, sports clubs Etc to close.
Milan is like Italy’s Manchester but it’s now like a ghost town, people told not to travel in to work and people queuing up for hours at supermarkets with face masks on -in Milan!
Also it depends on your company policies, US companies are saying if you chose to travel to Italy don’t come back to the U.K. office and if you go to Italy for a holiday you have to self quarantine for 3 weeks with no pay.
I think we are only a week or two behind Italy and will soon see this in the U.K...
I'll believe all the hype only if the stock markets have their biggest fall since 2008.I’m in the U.K. so I only know the same as the rest of us, but from someone I know who lives in N Italy and speaks with his factory in China 5 days a week, some of things I’ve heard include:
China
The workers were supposed to go back to the factories at the end of Chineese new year, Feb 8th - but the government said wait plus 2 weeks (no pay) so this week commencing 25th should see things back to normal.
His factory is in Wuhaan with over 3,000 employees, this week only 20 people turned up for work. They work on 1/2/4 week shifts and get bus travel in to the factories travelling up
To 24 hour’s to get there - and stay there for. 7 to 28 days. No one turned up. His company now has a 2 month delay to all deliveries and has had to notify clients that there will be a’2 Month delay (min).
His daily call with the factory team leader in China is a Skype call, all the family seem to get involved, the sister of the main factory contact is a nurse in Wuhaan, she said on one of these calls the death rate is 13% not <2% which is whats reported here on the news.
Italy
The Lombardy region (north Italy ) this week the government told all cafe owners, sports clubs Etc to close.
Milan is like Italy’s Manchester but it’s now like a ghost town, people told not to travel in to work and people queuing up for hours at supermarkets with face masks on -in Milan!
Also it depends on your company policies, US companies are saying if you chose to travel to Italy don’t come back to the U.K. office and if you go to Italy for a holiday you have to self quarantine for 3 weeks with no pay.
I think we are only a week or two behind Italy and will soon see this in the U.K...
I suppose by the end of this week we might get more of an idea of what is happening and what is not. I'm not overly positive.
The world has become so desperate for drama that a single new bug effects stock markets and infects the 'news'.
Whatever. I came back to F1 a few years ago as an escape from an increasingly petty world, and now F1 looks set to succumb to that same world. Whatever the fallout this is a sad start to a good season imo.
The world has become so desperate for drama that a single new bug effects stock markets and infects the 'news'.
Whatever. I came back to F1 a few years ago as an escape from an increasingly petty world, and now F1 looks set to succumb to that same world. Whatever the fallout this is a sad start to a good season imo.
towser44 said:
Cold said:
The opening round of MotorGP in Qatar has just been cancelled due to coronavirus concerns.
The Moto GP race has, but the Moto 2 and Moto 3 races are still going ahead.toastyhamster said:
towser44 said:
Cold said:
The opening round of MotorGP in Qatar has just been cancelled due to coronavirus concerns.
The Moto GP race has, but the Moto 2 and Moto 3 races are still going ahead.I'd vote for that.
Cold said:
toastyhamster said:
towser44 said:
Cold said:
The opening round of MotorGP in Qatar has just been cancelled due to coronavirus concerns.
The Moto GP race has, but the Moto 2 and Moto 3 races are still going ahead.I'd vote for that.
Sixpackpert said:
Cold said:
So we just need to prevent the teams that fly out from Italy from attending and Melbourne can go ahead?
I'd vote for that.
No tyres then...I'd vote for that.
I know they'll be doing degradation and other data analysis.
toastyhamster said:
Probably being dumb, what's to stop Pirelli just shoving the tyres in a container and shipping them without staff. What essential duties do their staff perform during a race weekend? (This is just me being curious, I know they won't do it).
I know they'll be doing degradation and other data analysis.
Think about how big of a factor tyre usage is in each and every race. The tyres are (sadly perhaps) everything. And as such they need to be handled and controlled with precision. Pirelli know where every single tyre is, and they analyse every 'spent' tyre. I was once bored enough to research how they handle tyres and I assure you they are kept very busy each weekend I know they'll be doing degradation and other data analysis.
TheDeuce said:
toastyhamster said:
Probably being dumb, what's to stop Pirelli just shoving the tyres in a container and shipping them without staff. What essential duties do their staff perform during a race weekend? (This is just me being curious, I know they won't do it).
I know they'll be doing degradation and other data analysis.
Think about how big of a factor tyre usage is in each and every race. The tyres are (sadly perhaps) everything. And as such they need to be handled and controlled with precision. Pirelli know where every single tyre is, and they analyse every 'spent' tyre. I was once bored enough to research how they handle tyres and I assure you they are kept very busy each weekend I know they'll be doing degradation and other data analysis.
Sixpackpert said:
Cold said:
So we just need to prevent the teams that fly out from Italy from attending and Melbourne can go ahead?
I'd vote for that.
No tyres then...I'd vote for that.
The tyres and kit will already be in Melbourne. In fact, most of what's needed for the race is already there apart from the cars and teams.
Could the staff of Ferrari and Pirelli not self quarantine themselves in a separate country a week or so before flying out?
Surely the tyres and cars are already in transit so its just the personel that need to make their way to Melbourne.
Guess it's the thousands of foreign visitors that will pose the biggest risk though.
Surely the tyres and cars are already in transit so its just the personel that need to make their way to Melbourne.
Guess it's the thousands of foreign visitors that will pose the biggest risk though.
WonkeyDonkey said:
Could the staff of Ferrari and Pirelli not self quarantine themselves in a separate country a week or so before flying out?
Surely the tyres and cars are already in transit so its just the personel that need to make their way to Melbourne.
Guess it's the thousands of foreign visitors that will pose the biggest risk though.
This is key, and already Ferrari have held half of their team back. The requirement to quarantine is very poorly defined right now, but in general staying at home under supervision of a doctor probably qualifies. That could be enough to allow them entry. In the end it's down to the Oz government.. Surely the tyres and cars are already in transit so its just the personel that need to make their way to Melbourne.
Guess it's the thousands of foreign visitors that will pose the biggest risk though.
The Moose said:
Not that it really matters - no one ever goes to China anyway 
November last year I was making arrangements for a friend to come stay from Shanghai to Belgium for the Spa and then Monza GPs, last time she was here was 2010 and went to both.She has already arranged the visas etc. to come over and is learning to drive so she can be mobile while over.
The last few weeks she has been at home due to the restrictions in China and only went back to work a couple of days ago, we are all hoping it all blows over before August and the GP can go ahead and she can visit.
WonkeyDonkey said:
Guess it's the thousands of foreign visitors that will pose the biggest risk though.
This is exactly the issue. It would be reasonably easy to run a GP with the team and support personnel completely quarantined from the general public from the moment they arrived to when they left. It would just mean no Paddock Club, Sponsor engagements and limited media obligations, something I can't imagine too many teams would be unduly upset by.StevieBee said:
This is exactly the issue. It would be reasonably easy to run a GP with the team and support personnel completely quarantined from the general public from the moment they arrived to when they left. It would just mean no Paddock Club, Sponsor engagements and limited media obligations, something I can't imagine too many teams would be unduly upset by.
You would have to use chartered flights with the aircrew also restricted. Teams usually travel on general flights, so thats going to be very expensive. Then you have the issue of where will they sleep, normal procedures to use local hotels is out.This wouldn't just be the Italian members affected, it would be everyone in the padock as they all share the same space.
You are looking at housing in isolation a couple thousand people.
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