F1 Sucks These Days
Discussion
coppice said:
Fundoreen said:
99% cant remember exactly how some old race played out from the 60s-90s. A vast library for them to relive.
They are all over youtube and I try but its just boring.
Its easier to follow because they only show the first few cars most of the race. And they go slower so your eyes can spot car control easier.
Personally speaking iI see more spectacle in the build up and first few laps of a modern f1 race than in all these old one combined.
Nice for those that have rose tinted goggles though.
No sunshine, it was nice for those of us who there . Don't dismiss stuff by quality of TV coverage - TV is a 2D image with crap sound and no choice who you watch. Don;t confuse it with real life . They are all over youtube and I try but its just boring.
Its easier to follow because they only show the first few cars most of the race. And they go slower so your eyes can spot car control easier.
Personally speaking iI see more spectacle in the build up and first few laps of a modern f1 race than in all these old one combined.
Nice for those that have rose tinted goggles though.
As coppice said, don't confuse it with real life
CanAm said:
coppice said:
Fundoreen said:
99% cant remember exactly how some old race played out from the 60s-90s. A vast library for them to relive.
They are all over youtube and I try but its just boring.
Its easier to follow because they only show the first few cars most of the race. And they go slower so your eyes can spot car control easier.
Personally speaking iI see more spectacle in the build up and first few laps of a modern f1 race than in all these old one combined.
Nice for those that have rose tinted goggles though.
No sunshine, it was nice for those of us who there . Don't dismiss stuff by quality of TV coverage - TV is a 2D image with crap sound and no choice who you watch. Don;t confuse it with real life . They are all over youtube and I try but its just boring.
Its easier to follow because they only show the first few cars most of the race. And they go slower so your eyes can spot car control easier.
Personally speaking iI see more spectacle in the build up and first few laps of a modern f1 race than in all these old one combined.
Nice for those that have rose tinted goggles though.
As coppice said, don't confuse it with real life
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04yqpjn
The entire Olympics of 1968 was shown in colour.
I don't know when F1 began to be broadcast in colour. The earliest I've seen is the 1970 Monaco GP and the 1970 British GP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcU8unEMkqQ
However, up until the mid 1970s, most households in the UK were still watching on black and white sets - so even if the coverage was in colour, it was being looked at in black and white.
Don’t dismiss tv coverage because it’s not real life. Even if you’re lucky enough to attend a GP (which many people can’t afford) the vast majority of races will be viewed on TV.
I agree attending a motor race in person is far better than watching on TV as the sounds and smells are such a big part of it. But as far as F1 is concerned, I’ve actually only attended one GP and that was in 2001 (despite many discussions about Spa/Monza) and I and far from the minority.
I agree attending a motor race in person is far better than watching on TV as the sounds and smells are such a big part of it. But as far as F1 is concerned, I’ve actually only attended one GP and that was in 2001 (despite many discussions about Spa/Monza) and I and far from the minority.
Eric Mc said:
.......... The first BBC sport broadcast in colour was Wimbledon 1967.
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I don't know when F1 began to be broadcast in colour. The earliest I've seen is the 1970 Monaco GP and the 1970 British GP.
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However, up until the mid 1970s, most households in the UK were still watching on black and white sets - so even if the coverage was in colour, it was being looked at in black and white.
I remember my future father-in-law getting a colour TV in 1971 and thinking that was pretty flash.>
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I don't know when F1 began to be broadcast in colour. The earliest I've seen is the 1970 Monaco GP and the 1970 British GP.
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However, up until the mid 1970s, most households in the UK were still watching on black and white sets - so even if the coverage was in colour, it was being looked at in black and white.
Also I think I remember reading at the time that the Tyrrell colour scheme (from late 1970) was chosen so that it came out well on b/w TV; likewise the change in the JPS colour scheme a little later.
Tyrell cars were blue because originally they ran as a semi-French team (when they ran Matra cars) with a Scottish No.1 driver. Both Scotland and France have blue as their official racing colours. Because Scottish cars should be blue, the term British Racing Green is not quite accurate. It's also why Rob Walker's cars (whether they be Coopers, Lotuses or Ferraris) were also blue - Walker being of Scottish origin - as indeed was Stirling Moss (on his mother's side).
Later on, when sponsored cars emerged, it was found that gold, as in the JPS logo, did not show up well on TV (in either colour or black and white) so the gold trim on JPS cars was changed to yellow in 1973.
Later on, when sponsored cars emerged, it was found that gold, as in the JPS logo, did not show up well on TV (in either colour or black and white) so the gold trim on JPS cars was changed to yellow in 1973.
TheDeuce said:
sparta6 said:
Live concert in person.
OR
Live concert on TV.
That's different, in that example there is no benefit from watching remotely.OR
Live concert on TV.
With F1 it more complex. The best way to watch a race - as in; see as much of it as possible and watch from the angles you want, including on demand replays etc, is to watch via sky in the comfort of your own home with no distractions.
The best way to experience F1 however, is to go there and feel the experience.
Personally, I'd rather be there and soak up the atmosphere!! But I think it's fair to say that there are benefits from watching remotely - more than ever now the broadcast is digital with multiple viewpoints on demand. It's certainly not the baffling experience it used to be sometimes back in the analogue days.
Unless you're senior in F1 management, I guess they can switch between the broadcast gallery feeds and/or wander down to the pit lane whenever they wish during a race
I always find the quality of the commentary something that makes a sport. I can’t stand WTCC because of the commentators.
Murray/Hunt/Brundle for me, was a big part of the appeal of F1 when I started watching in the 90s. Even the boring races were enjoyable and I regularly watch older races
Murray/Hunt/Brundle for me, was a big part of the appeal of F1 when I started watching in the 90s. Even the boring races were enjoyable and I regularly watch older races
Nampahc Niloc said:
Another boring race today. I overtaking. Easy to predict results. Same old people on the podium. Even the crowd were bored into silence.
It might not have been boring but it wasn’t good. Unless you’d think a football match which ended with half the players injured would be OK too?Maybe you do.
benzinbob said:
I always find the quality of the commentary something that makes a sport. I can’t stand WTCC because of the commentators.
Murray/Hunt/Brundle for me, was a big part of the appeal of F1 when I started watching in the 90s. Even the boring races were enjoyable and I regularly watch older races
The commentary is definitely less technical now, there’s nothing in there for the enthusiasts. The cars are a bit dull, and too refined. Murray/Hunt/Brundle for me, was a big part of the appeal of F1 when I started watching in the 90s. Even the boring races were enjoyable and I regularly watch older races
Nampahc Niloc said:
Another boring race today. I overtaking. Easy to predict results. Same old people on the podium. Even the crowd were bored into silence.
It would have been a very different race were it not for the SC after the Williams parked up, which had more than a whiff of an Amercian-style “Competition Caution” about it - a rolling but dead car safely off the track is usually a VSC, but the race director was afraid of that button all weekend. That said, it was an exciting race right to the end, and great to see F1 back on the screens. Same again next week!
REALIST123 said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
Another boring race today. I overtaking. Easy to predict results. Same old people on the podium. Even the crowd were bored into silence.
It might not have been boring but it wasn’t good. Unless you’d think a football match which ended with half the players injured would be OK too?Maybe you do.
Great thread. It's become almost the norm to knock modern F1 for being boring/predictable/not worth watching. This thread challenges that perspective in good spirit.
REALIST123 said:
It might not have been boring but it wasn’t good. Unless you’d think a football match which ended with half the players injured would be OK too?
Maybe you do.
Depends, how would the race have played out without reliability issues adding to the drama? I think that with so many teams apparently so competitive with one another this season, a 'normal' race would have yielded plenty of great racing. It's certainly left a lot of only part answered questions about how the grid really stacks up.Maybe you do.
For once we might actually get an answer to 'what if' as we get to run the race again this Sunday, and we can assume at least most of the unreliability will have been addressed. Will the straight race with more proper racing be 'better' than yesterday's whacky race? We're probably going to find out.
Personally, I enjoyed yesterday very much, but am also itching to see how the cars stack up without all the craziness.
REALIST123 said:
It might not have been boring but it wasn’t good. Unless you’d think a football match which ended with half the players injured would be OK too?
Maybe you do.
Of course I don’t, but your analogy doesn’t work. There’s a bit of difference between enjoying actual physical harm and enjoying a race where multiple cars failed to finish. However, as has just been mentioned, good reliability is a relatively new thing in motorsport terms. For the record I didn’t enjoy the race because of the poor reliability. There were plenty of battles going on despite that and these weren’t just attributable to the SC periods.Maybe you do.
There have been some good races in recent years, but many more that were as exciting as watching paint dry. A "sport" (although can driving a car be classed as a sport?).where there is one dominant team/driver wil rarely produce excitment whether your at the circuit or watching on TV.
It should be up to the teams weather they change tyres or refuel, why would anyone think it is a good idea to limit fuel?
It should be up to the teams weather they change tyres or refuel, why would anyone think it is a good idea to limit fuel?
If I want close competition, as I often do, then Historic FF1600 and FJ tick that box. F1 can be compelling to watch , regardless of the gap between cars, but only if the spectacle of cars being driven at the limit is enough . As it often has been in the past ,and can still be now, but only rarely - usually in the wet .
But monstrous grip , over-sophiscated aero, tiny slip angles , tyres that are designed to be replaced after minutes, uncharismatic power plants(or 'engines' as we used to call them) , astonishingly efficient carbon brakes and gearboxes which make it impossible to miss a gear all reduce the possibility of the unexpected drama .
The skills are the same , but the sight of an earlier turbo era car on full qualifying boost eclipsed anything I can see now, as did the sound of the V10 atmo era . But - in 50 years of watching F1 , much of it from trackside , it isn't the ultra-close racing often seen in the 70s DFV era but the gut wrenching sight of near -uncontrollable 1000bhp cars with steel brakes and stick shifts in the mid 80s which thrilled me the most.
But I enjoyed Austria a lot , a cracking race , with some feisty drives and some wild cards dealt by unreliability. F1 may have its faults , but for me it is still the greatest show on earth . Just wish they'd drop those daft penalties for racing drivers who dare to behave like racing drivers
But monstrous grip , over-sophiscated aero, tiny slip angles , tyres that are designed to be replaced after minutes, uncharismatic power plants(or 'engines' as we used to call them) , astonishingly efficient carbon brakes and gearboxes which make it impossible to miss a gear all reduce the possibility of the unexpected drama .
The skills are the same , but the sight of an earlier turbo era car on full qualifying boost eclipsed anything I can see now, as did the sound of the V10 atmo era . But - in 50 years of watching F1 , much of it from trackside , it isn't the ultra-close racing often seen in the 70s DFV era but the gut wrenching sight of near -uncontrollable 1000bhp cars with steel brakes and stick shifts in the mid 80s which thrilled me the most.
But I enjoyed Austria a lot , a cracking race , with some feisty drives and some wild cards dealt by unreliability. F1 may have its faults , but for me it is still the greatest show on earth . Just wish they'd drop those daft penalties for racing drivers who dare to behave like racing drivers
Eric Mc said:
I only watched the highlights and the race obviously did have some moments of drama - so all in all, a decent race.
But I will never like these cars and I will always weep a bit when I see the butchered Oosterreichring.
To stick to the core of the sport though (racing cars).. The Austrian GP did also have plenty of close racing, between a wide mix of teams compared to what we've become used too. Most of that racing starts as a developing situation over a few laps and the anticipation of knowing two cars will soon have to deal with one another, that probably doesn't come through the same way in highlights.But I will never like these cars and I will always weep a bit when I see the butchered Oosterreichring.
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