Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

[faa77]

confucuis said:

In fact, I wish they used these curbs at all tracks, stop anyone from abusing track limits.

I'm all for punishing bad driving, but my point was the cars should be slowed-down, not destroyed.

Doesn't the Ricard track have abrasive material so if a car drives on it, it slows the car down? Surely this would be better?

[JonChalk]

Who's setting up the Steyrian GP thread?

[littleredrooster]

confucuis said:

In fact, I wish they used these curbs at all tracks, stop anyone from abusing track limits.

The kerbs are there to curb their enthusiasm, indeed...

[TheDeuce]

London424 said:

TheDeuce said:

ettore said:

I think it’s more that you have less strategic options when (always) leading the race. You plot to go as fast as is necessary whilst everyone else throws whatever strategic wild cards they can at you. You’re always in the reactive seat..

That's my take on it. Although it's probably also fair to say that after 6-7 years of barely having to rely on strategy, as a team perhaps they are not as sharp as the likes of red bull? Who knows. Not that it's going to affect their chances this season - their car looks safely ahead of the rest and probably will be most races. Obviously wounded yesterday... But still not exactly a walkover and still won the race!

They’ve been awful around safety car strategy for as long as I can remember. So many bad decisions. Pitting when they shouldn’t. Not putting when they should. Miscalculating time gaps. I don’t think there is a way you could mess it up they haven’t managed in the last 5 years.

Many times they've got it spot on too though. I do myself find it easier to remember the cock ups.. But it's natural to remember when things go wrong and casually forget all the times it went right! I'll happily accept they aren't as strong as some others in that area though. Not that it's held them back.

I would say Ferrari are the kings of confusing strategy decisions, and they really were laughable at times last year.. But the truth is I don't think we see enough of the lower teams strategy to know how good/bad they are at it. If it's not strategy that can change headline results, we generally don't think of it, nor do the commentators.

[TheDeuce]

JonChalk said:

Who's setting up the Steyrian GP thread?

This is it I think

[Deesee]

JonChalk said:

Who's setting up the Steyrian GP thread?

... looks like u ..

[JonChalk]

Deesee said:

JonChalk said:

Who's setting up the Steyrian GP thread?

... looks like u ..

Oh, I'm not nearly responsible enough for the honour!

[Deesee]

The one the only

Alphamaxnaova1

https://reddit.app.link/iQwEJtBkU7

With his ‘highlights’.. this is a good one.

Edited by Deesee on Monday 6th July 20:25

Edited by Deesee on Monday 6th July 20:28

[Piginapoke]

JonChalk said:

Deesee said:

JonChalk said:

Who's setting up the Steyrian GP thread?

... looks like u ..

Oh, I'm not nearly responsible enough for the honour!

Hi chaps, as it’s identical to last weekend, I think we’re just running with this thread.

I’ll set a new one up for Hungary though, no problems

[London424]

TheDeuce said:

London424 said:

TheDeuce said:

ettore said:

I think it’s more that you have less strategic options when (always) leading the race. You plot to go as fast as is necessary whilst everyone else throws whatever strategic wild cards they can at you. You’re always in the reactive seat..

That's my take on it. Although it's probably also fair to say that after 6-7 years of barely having to rely on strategy, as a team perhaps they are not as sharp as the likes of red bull? Who knows. Not that it's going to affect their chances this season - their car looks safely ahead of the rest and probably will be most races. Obviously wounded yesterday... But still not exactly a walkover and still won the race!

They’ve been awful around safety car strategy for as long as I can remember. So many bad decisions. Pitting when they shouldn’t. Not putting when they should. Miscalculating time gaps. I don’t think there is a way you could mess it up they haven’t managed in the last 5 years.

Many times they've got it spot on too though. I do myself find it easier to remember the cock ups.. But it's natural to remember when things go wrong and casually forget all the times it went right! I'll happily accept they aren't as strong as some others in that area though. Not that it's held them back.

I would say Ferrari are the kings of confusing strategy decisions, and they really were laughable at times last year.. But the truth is I don't think we see enough of the lower teams strategy to know how good/bad they are at it. If it's not strategy that can change headline results, we generally don't think of it, nor do the commentators.

The cock ups should be an anomaly. They have massive teams and computing power. Maybe once or twice year they would be excused for making a mess of it. Pretty much every other race with a SC there will be a mistake. Was it 2018 when it was the first 4 races or something silly. And how many times were they going to balls up at Monaco by giving up track position?? They finally sorted that one out but I wouldn’t put it past them again.

[TheDeuce]

Deesee said:

The one the only

Alphamaxnaova1

https://reddit.app.link/iQwEJtBkU7

With his ‘highlights’.. this is a good one.

Edited by Deesee on Monday 6th July 20:25

Edited by Deesee on Monday 6th July 20:28

That's not only excellent in it's own right, it's probably better than the actual race highlights!

Love the video gamification of Norris's drive

[Piginapoke]

Mods, can you alter title to Austrian and Styrian Grand Prix. Cheers.

[Leithen]

London424 said:

TheDeuce said:

London424 said:

TheDeuce said:

ettore said:

I think it’s more that you have less strategic options when (always) leading the race. You plot to go as fast as is necessary whilst everyone else throws whatever strategic wild cards they can at you. You’re always in the reactive seat..

That's my take on it. Although it's probably also fair to say that after 6-7 years of barely having to rely on strategy, as a team perhaps they are not as sharp as the likes of red bull? Who knows. Not that it's going to affect their chances this season - their car looks safely ahead of the rest and probably will be most races. Obviously wounded yesterday... But still not exactly a walkover and still won the race!

They’ve been awful around safety car strategy for as long as I can remember. So many bad decisions. Pitting when they shouldn’t. Not putting when they should. Miscalculating time gaps. I don’t think there is a way you could mess it up they haven’t managed in the last 5 years.

Many times they've got it spot on too though. I do myself find it easier to remember the cock ups.. But it's natural to remember when things go wrong and casually forget all the times it went right! I'll happily accept they aren't as strong as some others in that area though. Not that it's held them back.

I would say Ferrari are the kings of confusing strategy decisions, and they really were laughable at times last year.. But the truth is I don't think we see enough of the lower teams strategy to know how good/bad they are at it. If it's not strategy that can change headline results, we generally don't think of it, nor do the commentators.

The cock ups should be an anomaly. They have massive teams and computing power. Maybe once or twice year they would be excused for making a mess of it. Pretty much every other race with a SC there will be a mistake. Was it 2018 when it was the first 4 races or something silly. And how many times were they going to balls up at Monaco by giving up track position?? They finally sorted that one out but I wouldn’t put it past them again.

By all accounts Schumacher had continual detailed tactical discussions with Brawn throughout a race. People who listened in were apparently astonished that he could drive at 10/10ths and direct strategy. This isn't a dig at Hamilton, rather an observation that the team appears to be far more passive and reactive with a very different approach, perhaps with plans that are too formulated before the race than during.

[ajprice]

Ferrari are bringing their car upgrade forward to this weekend https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/formula1/53309834

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

Leithen said:

By all accounts Schumacher had continual detailed tactical discussions with Brawn throughout a race. People who listened in were apparently astonished that he could drive at 10/10ths and direct strategy. This isn't a dig at Hamilton, rather an observation that the team appears to be far more passive and reactive with a very different approach, perhaps with plans that are too formulated before the race than during.

I'm sure I've heard the same said of Lewis (and someone else who I can't remember, maybe Alonso). Their mental capacity to think about what else is going on in the race whilst driving flat out, is part of what elevates them to a level above the rest.

[FourWheelDrift]

ajprice said:

Ferrari are bringing their car upgrade forward to this weekend https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/formula1/53309834

Stabilisers for Vettel?

[Teddy Lop]

FourWheelDrift said:

ajprice said:

Ferrari are bringing their car upgrade forward to this weekend https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/formula1/53309834

Stabilisers for Vettel?

Arthur leclerc

[HustleRussell]

Very excited by Race 1.

Field spread is much tighter and the cars are more evenly spaced in terms of pace.

Red Bull could be a match for Mercedes on race pace at most circuits.

Albon happy to get stuck into Hamilton. Bottas has double Hamilton’s points. Shouldn’t be ‘too easy’ for the champ to take his seventh.

Lando on the podium and Leclerc 2nd in a drive where the driver really made the difference.

McLaren / Racing Point / Ferrari is going to be an excellent battle.

George Russell is a competitor rather than merely a participant.

Some gripes;

5 second penalty for Hamilton. I would’ve loved to have seen Albon drive clean around Hamilton and set off after Bottas, but for me Hamilton didn’t deserve a penalty for that contact.

Early reliability problems for many drivers and the resulting penalties are going to have a big influence in the shortened championship.

Ferrari very bad. No improvement from Seb

[DanielSan]

I can already see it now, bolt a whole st load of parts onto the car, wonder why the setup/balance is all to cock and have no idea why because they're replaced so many bits in one go.

[paulw123]

DanielSan said:

I can already see it now, bolt a whole st load of parts onto the car, wonder why the setup/balance is all to cock and have no idea why because they're replaced so many bits in one go.

Yep! Should be amusing though