Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

[paulguitar]

A205GTI said:

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

I can't be done, basically. Run-off, marshal posts, etc.

[kambites]

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

You'd effectively have no run-off areas if you ran the track backwards, plus the kerbs would all be in the wrong places, the pit exit might be unsighted, etc.

If you want to be able to run an F1 track backwards, you'd have to design it from scratch with that in mind.

[Rat_Fink_67]

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

Nice idea, but not very practical due to run off etc. What makes a good corner one way, could become lethal in the other direction. Same with pitlane entry and exit.

There's only really Knockhill I can think of in recent years that can offer the option of going "backwards". Misano did it too as a permanent change.

[Rat_Fink_67]

Looks like we all had the same idea

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

Most tracks can't be run in reverse due to run off areas, barrier placement/configuration, curb direction and so on.

There would need to be an enormous amount spent to get them ready, not to mention the time needed to do it. Then they would need to be approved by the FIA for F1 use.

[leef44]

glazbagun said:

HTP99 said:

Is it just me who sees the name of the next GP and says to myself, "Syrian GP, WTF?!"

I thought it was a bad anagram of Austrian and they were going to run the course in reverse.

That's an excellent idea - run the course in reverse, just like you get on the Gran Turismo game.

[Kraken]

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

This was talked about ad infinitum in the F1 press during lockdown and they even went as far as running all the tracks in reverse in simulators to show why it isn't possible for the vast majority of them.

[Derek Smith]

Kraken said:

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

This was talked about ad infinitum in the F1 press during lockdown and they even went as far as running all the tracks in reverse in simulators to show why it isn't possible for the vast majority of them.

Is that because there might be a Williams still coming the other way?

[thegreenhell]

Kraken said:

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

This was talked about ad infinitum in the F1 press during lockdown and they even went as far as running all the tracks in reverse in simulators to show why it isn't possible for the vast majority of them.

It's also talked about in here at least once a week.

[Nampahc Niloc]

Maybe we need a sticky post

[Mr_Thyroid]

Kraken said:

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

This was talked about ad infinitum in the F1 press during lockdown and they even went as far as running all the tracks in reverse in simulators to show why it isn't possible for the vast majority of them.

And, according to Jennie Gow on the radio, when Stuart Pringle (boss of Silverstone) announced they were considering doing a reverse race it was just for publicity - he always knew it was impossible.

This Chain Bear video explains why - but it's all pretty obvious if you think about circuit design for a couple of seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSjLoGljZ3s

[df76]

thegreenhell said:

Kraken said:

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

This was talked about ad infinitum in the F1 press during lockdown and they even went as far as running all the tracks in reverse in simulators to show why it isn't possible for the vast majority of them.

It's also talked about in here at least once a week.

You just need to think about Turn One at the Red Bull Ring. Fancy that in reverse?? Err... no thanks.

[l354uge]

It would probably cost less to convert Donington to F1 spec than change every barrier access and run off at Silverstone to work at the other direction.

Maybe Abu Dhabi should give it a go. They've got loads of money and the track is already absolutely terrible.

[TheDeuce]

df76 said:

thegreenhell said:

Kraken said:

A205GTI said:

I think they have missed a trick with dual tracks,

2nd race should be opposite way around track, that certainly would be interesting seeing them all have to relearn braking areas etc,,,

This was talked about ad infinitum in the F1 press during lockdown and they even went as far as running all the tracks in reverse in simulators to show why it isn't possible for the vast majority of them.

It's also talked about in here at least once a week.

You just need to think about Turn One at the Red Bull Ring. Fancy that in reverse?? Err... no thanks.

How about... Run the race the same drection... but with the cars in reverse!

[ajprice]

Hamilton got 4 penalty points over the weekend, 2 for the yellow flag in quali, 2 for the clash with Albon. His total is 7 now until November. 12 points is a race ban.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/06/hamilton-has-m...

[anonymous-user]

If Ferrari had a legal method available to run the same PU capability as the cheat system, the legal system would have been on the car.

It boggles the mind how you think you can do both systems in parallel, then choose to use the illegal one.

They used the cheat because they couldn't compete legally.

As to the team principal knowing, prior to being TP, he was in charge of the powertrain department. He knew precisely what the score was.

Ferrari are now behind all the other PU suppliers, that cant be fixed without a significant redesign, even if they knew how to fix it, which is not a given.

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

If Ferrari had a legal method available to run the same PU capability as the cheat system, the legal system would have been on the car.

It boggles the mind how you think you can do both systems in parallel, then choose to use the illegal one.

They used the cheat because they couldn't compete legally.

As to the team principal knowing, prior to being TP, he was in charge of the powertrain department. He knew precisely what the score was.

Ferrari are now behind all the other PU suppliers, that cant be fixed without a significant redesign, even if they knew how to fix it, which is not a given.

The point was that whilst they would intend to run the 'cheat' system, most teams would also have a developed legal system ready to go if they were discovered/had to stop using the cheat. The legal system would therefore be approximately as well developed as anyone else's PU if that were the case, as and when it was needed - unless they did do that but without cheating Ferrari simply can't develop a competitive PU in this hybrid era? Seems unlikely but could be the case.

I agree they couldn't compete legally but I think that was more to do with their aero being less refined than their competitors, so they cheated the extra power to compensate.

[thegreenhell]

Kubica is to do FP1 on Friday, replacing Joe Vinazzi. Should be an interesting comparison to Kimi.

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

The point was that whilst they would intend to run the 'cheat' system, most teams would also have a developed legal system ready to go if they were discovered/had to stop using the cheat. The legal system would therefore be approximately as well developed as anyone else's PU if that were the case, as and when it was needed - unless they did do that but without cheating Ferrari simply can't develop a competitive PU in this hybrid era? Seems unlikely but could be the case.

I agree they couldn't compete legally but I think that was more to do with their aero being less refined than their competitors, so they cheated the extra power to compensate.

You are talking gibberish again.

The cheat they used was to inject more fuel than the rules allowed. They would still have been maximising everything to the limit of what was possible.

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

TheDeuce said:

The point was that whilst they would intend to run the 'cheat' system, most teams would also have a developed legal system ready to go if they were discovered/had to stop using the cheat. The legal system would therefore be approximately as well developed as anyone else's PU if that were the case, as and when it was needed - unless they did do that but without cheating Ferrari simply can't develop a competitive PU in this hybrid era? Seems unlikely but could be the case.

I agree they couldn't compete legally but I think that was more to do with their aero being less refined than their competitors, so they cheated the extra power to compensate.

You are talking gibberish again.

The cheat they used was to inject more fuel than the rules allowed. They would still have been maximising everything to the limit of what was possible.

We all know (roughly) how they were cheating.

So why the power deficit now then? Before the cheating they were on a broadly similar PU development path to Mercedes, why are they now so far behind?