Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

[Mark-C]

TheDeuce said:

Deesee said:

Strange one eh..

All the boxes arrived and they’ve been putting the cars together this morning.

I am quite interested to see what level of improvment they can find. It's unusual to have a direct comparison at the same track.

Although it's still forecast to rain during quali - so that would scupper any fair comparison (but I'd be happy to have it rain anyways )

I'm surprised that Ferrari have done this - it's a very open way in which the whole world can see the success or otherwise of the changes given the direct comparisons that can be made with last weekend. Maybe it's a sign of their confidence in the changes ...

I'd also settle for rain in Qualifying to mix things up ...

[TheDeuce]

Mark-C said:

I'm surprised that Ferrari have done this - it's a very open way in which the whole world can see the success or otherwise of the changes given the direct comparisons that can be made with last weekend. Maybe it's a sign of their confidence in the changes ...

I'd also settle for rain in Qualifying to mix things up ...

I think they're just keen to crack on with testing new parts/ideas ASAP - this is effectively a development year for them now.

Even if they absolutely nail the new improvements, aero efficiency can only ever go so far when the car is simply under powered. So I wouldn't hold out too much hope. IE They could sack off a load of downforce which would hugely improve their straight line deficit... But at the cost of losing more time in the corners. There probably is a better all round balance between the two than they have right now, so improvement overall is bound to be possible and likely to happen. I just can't see an improvement sufficient to make them competitive being possible.

[ajprice]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCbHezpIsyU/?igshid=jw...

"Kimi, can you give us any details on where the car needs to be improved?"

"Around the lap, obviously you can always improve around there."

[Deesee]

TheDeuce said:

I think they're just keen to crack on with testing new parts/ideas ASAP - this is effectively a development year for them now.

Even if they absolutely nail the new improvements, aero efficiency can only ever go so far when the car is simply under powered. So I wouldn't hold out too much hope. IE They could sack off a load of downforce which would hugely improve their straight line deficit... But at the cost of losing more time in the corners. There probably is a better all round balance between the two than they have right now, so improvement overall is bound to be possible and likely to happen. I just can't see an improvement sufficient to make them competitive being possible.

This is a perfect track for them to do it, it’s power led, adding downforce/drag will be the barometer for them, next week at Hungary (very downforce led) might be too late..

They might actually go slower here.. which will be an improvement..(for the rest of the season)..

With the corners they think they can find 4/10th here with the upgrades, (so bigger improvements on other tracks)..

[Deesee]

Ok Ferrari fans..

New floor, and ‘new’ front wing (which looks like 2019 spec to be honest), they could be stripping back to bench mark last week and last yr..

[Deesee]

This was tested today on video the Merc v Merc high (Medical car Vs Safety car) speed test..



I like that!

[kambites]

Mark-C said:

I'm surprised that Ferrari have done this - it's a very open way in which the whole world can see the success or otherwise of the changes given the direct comparisons that can be made with last weekend. Maybe it's a sign of their confidence in the changes ...

I suspect it's more a matter of "well they can't make the car any worse".

Any news on whether Mercedes have managed to fix their "gearbox sensor issues"?

[Hub]

Is there not a new thread for this weekend's race, or are both races covered in the one thread?

[JonChalk]

Deesee said:

JonChalk said:

Deesee said:

Same spec tyres as last week.

Wasn't the original position that they would run a different combination this week?

They are doing that for silverstone..

Ok. Ta.

[TheDeuce]

Hub said:

Is there not a new thread for this weekend's race, or are both races covered in the one thread?

Same venue, same thread - because some of the 'stories' are effectively spread across the two races.

[Europa1]

TheDeuce said:

Hub said:

Is there not a new thread for this weekend's race, or are both races covered in the one thread?

Same venue, same thread - because some of the 'stories' are effectively spread across the two races.

I think the clue is in the thread title.

[TheDeuce]

Europa1 said:

TheDeuce said:

Hub said:

Is there not a new thread for this weekend's race, or are both races covered in the one thread?

Same venue, same thread - because some of the 'stories' are effectively spread across the two races.

I think the clue is in the thread title.

The Syrian GP

[MissChief]

TheDeuce said:

Europa1 said:

TheDeuce said:

Hub said:

Is there not a new thread for this weekend's race, or are both races covered in the one thread?

Same venue, same thread - because some of the 'stories' are effectively spread across the two races.

I think the clue is in the thread title.

The Syrian GP

If they offered Bernie enough money we’d have had a beach GP with the Persian Gulf on the background.

[Hub]

Europa1 said:

TheDeuce said:

Hub said:

Is there not a new thread for this weekend's race, or are both races covered in the one thread?

Same venue, same thread - because some of the 'stories' are effectively spread across the two races.

I think the clue is in the thread title.

I see that, but it isn't mentioned in the first post, I hadn't seen it discussed and there's usually a new one for each race so just wanted to know if this is the right place for this weekend's discussion!

[SpudLink]

Hub said:

Europa1 said:

TheDeuce said:

Hub said:

Is there not a new thread for this weekend's race, or are both races covered in the one thread?

Same venue, same thread - because some of the 'stories' are effectively spread across the two races.

I think the clue is in the thread title.

I see that, but it isn't mentioned in the first post, I hadn't seen it discussed and there's usually a new one for each race so just wanted to know if this is the right place for this weekend's discussion!

They actually changed the thread title just to catch out the unwary.

[JonChalk]

Hub said:

I see that, but it isn't mentioned in the first post, I hadn't seen it discussed and there's usually a new one for each race so just wanted to know if this is the right place for this weekend's discussion!

It was discussed about 10 pages ago, 'cos I asked the same question

[FourWheelDrift]

MissChief said:

If they offered Bernie enough money we’d have had a beach GP with the Persian Gulf on the background.

A night race lit up by burning oil wells.

[HustleRussell]

kambites said:

Mark-C said:

I'm surprised that Ferrari have done this - it's a very open way in which the whole world can see the success or otherwise of the changes given the direct comparisons that can be made with last weekend. Maybe it's a sign of their confidence in the changes ...

I suspect it's more a matter of "well they can't make the car any worse".

Any news on whether Mercedes have managed to fix their "gearbox sensor issues"?

I'm curious about that. Mercedes' have done something clever with their gearbox / rear suspension this year. I seem to recall it involved putting a lot more of the suspension load through the gearbox and adding weight and strength to the gearbox casing to handle it...

"Gearbox sensor issues" could be akin to the 'electrical problem' caused by a conrod through the wiring loom...

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

kambites said:

I suspect it's more a matter of "well they can't make the car any worse".

Smacks of desperation, or maybe they have found another way to cheat.

Like turning up to Singapore last season with a minor revision to the front wing and suddenly being massively faster than everyone else .

[Derek Smith]

HustleRussell said:

I'm curious about that. Mercedes' have done something clever with their gearbox / rear suspension this year. I seem to recall it involved putting a lot more of the suspension load through the gearbox and adding weight and strength to the gearbox casing to handle it...

"Gearbox sensor issues" could be akin to the 'electrical problem' caused by a conrod through the wiring loom...

I was at Clearways back in the day when a V12 Ferrari GT dropped a valve. Bits of the engine shot up into the air, and the car deposited oil on the track as a rod went through the crankcase. It happened right in front of us, and the car stopped where we could see the damage. The message came out later that it was a gearbox problem.

Nothing changes.