Black Mercedes.
Discussion
REALIST123 said:
So you're saying that Mercedes are only supporting the BLM movement for commercial reasons?
I believe that Mercedes were being a responsible employer and treating their employees fairly and without discrimination before recent events.
You're right, if we all stopped dealing with regimes around the world we don’t agree with, the world would be very different. Let's give it a go.
Daimler Benz are a commercial organisation. They should do what is best for their business.I believe that Mercedes were being a responsible employer and treating their employees fairly and without discrimination before recent events.
You're right, if we all stopped dealing with regimes around the world we don’t agree with, the world would be very different. Let's give it a go.
It’s best practice to be a responsible employer to help attract the best people possible (of all varieties) to help with the future profitability of your company. It makes perfect commercial sense.
Companies that fail to do this will decline / fail long term.
Stopping dealing with dodgy regimes is in our hands.
If no one watched the China / Bahrain GP and others, it would soon be dropped.
These “actions” can help with change. Painting your cars black and jumping on a bandwagon is just paying lip service to a noble cause.
I though Mercedes where better than this.
All IMHO of course.
DOCG said:
longblackcoat said:
Yes, I read the links. I'm ignoring what commentators say, because that's their opinion, and when one of them is Nigel Farage, you'll forgive me for dustrusting his statement as being anything close to fact.
I'm asking you to provide evidence that they're openly Marxist. You're the one asserting this, it's for you to prove it.
To help you, here's a link to the BLM website. Having read through, I can't see Marxism mentioned once, though if I've missed that reference I'll apologise. BLM is a collective of pressure groups with a specific purpose - to stop discrimination. I fully accept that some (possibly many) of the leaders are left-leaning and may well be Marxist, but that doesn't mean that the organisation is.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
Quotes from your link: I'm asking you to provide evidence that they're openly Marxist. You're the one asserting this, it's for you to prove it.
To help you, here's a link to the BLM website. Having read through, I can't see Marxism mentioned once, though if I've missed that reference I'll apologise. BLM is a collective of pressure groups with a specific purpose - to stop discrimination. I fully accept that some (possibly many) of the leaders are left-leaning and may well be Marxist, but that doesn't mean that the organisation is.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
"We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts." The term "Comrade" is strongly associated with Marxism.
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and 'villages' that collectively care for one another"
One of the Marxist principles is that "The nuclear family unit is an economic arrangement structured to maintain the ideological functions of Capitalism".
As it doesn't, then stop making yourself so damned silly by trying to justify your frankly unpleasant stance and be honest with yourself and the rest of us.
We all know why people are opposed to BLM and it has nothing to do with marxism, it is to do with it shining a light on people's own prejudices and them not liking it.
Suck it up buttercup.
Exige77 said:
REALIST123 said:
So you're saying that Mercedes are only supporting the BLM movement for commercial reasons?
I believe that Mercedes were being a responsible employer and treating their employees fairly and without discrimination before recent events.
You're right, if we all stopped dealing with regimes around the world we don’t agree with, the world would be very different. Let's give it a go.
Daimler Benz are a commercial organisation. They should do what is best for their business.I believe that Mercedes were being a responsible employer and treating their employees fairly and without discrimination before recent events.
You're right, if we all stopped dealing with regimes around the world we don’t agree with, the world would be very different. Let's give it a go.
It’s best practice to be a responsible employer to help attract the best people possible (of all varieties) to help with the future profitability of your company. It makes perfect commercial sense.
Companies that fail to do this will decline / fail long term.
Stopping dealing with dodgy regimes is in our hands.
If no one watched the China / Bahrain GP and others, it would soon be dropped.
These “actions” can help with change. Painting your cars black and jumping on a bandwagon is just paying lip service to a noble cause.
I though Mercedes where better than this.
All IMHO of course.
If we all do something, then things will change.
What is not needed is people sitting behind anonymous screen-names sneering at every little thing that is done as if it doesn't matter.
IforB said:
If being anti-racism makes me a marxist, then I'll be happy to be called "Comrade."
As it doesn't, then stop making yourself so damned silly by trying to justify your frankly unpleasant stance and be honest with yourself and the rest of us.
We all know why people are opposed to BLM and it has nothing to do with marxism, it is to do with it shining a light on people's own prejudices and them not liking it.
Suck it up buttercup.
You are a truly dishonest person, I never even expressed a stance on BLM, and I certainly never stated that being anti-racist=Marxist. Any political organisation will face opposition and to simplify it as to being due to a just single reason if just wrong. As it doesn't, then stop making yourself so damned silly by trying to justify your frankly unpleasant stance and be honest with yourself and the rest of us.
We all know why people are opposed to BLM and it has nothing to do with marxism, it is to do with it shining a light on people's own prejudices and them not liking it.
Suck it up buttercup.
otolith said:
I think that given BLM's focus and grievances, you might want to consider the relevance of this to their position on the dominance of the Western model of the nuclear family;
https://www.un.org/development/desa/family/wp-cont...
It is not a western model, Chinese have had the same nuclear family for thousands of years, since the Han Dynasty at least.https://www.un.org/development/desa/family/wp-cont...
DOCG said:
otolith said:
I think that given BLM's focus and grievances, you might want to consider the relevance of this to their position on the dominance of the Western model of the nuclear family;
https://www.un.org/development/desa/family/wp-cont...
It is not a western model, Chinese have had the same nuclear family for thousands of years, since the Han Dynasty at least.https://www.un.org/development/desa/family/wp-cont...
otolith said:
It is the predominant Western model, which is also the model in some other cultures. It is not ubiquitous in Africa.
I would say the alternative models in Africa are the anomalies. To label it as western is inaccurate as it is the predominant model globally, I doubt the Koreans, Chinese, Malays, etc would consider themselves to be following the western model, they developed it independently of any western influence. DOCG said:
otolith said:
It is the predominant Western model, which is also the model in some other cultures. It is not ubiquitous in Africa.
I would say the alternative models in Africa are the anomalies. To label it as western is inaccurate as it is the predominant model globally, I doubt the Koreans, Chinese, Malays, etc would consider themselves to be following the western model, they developed it independently of any western influence. ajprice said:
1. We didn't want Lewis to call us out.2. We didn't want Lewis to call us out.
3. We didn't want Lewis to call us out.
4. We didn't want Lewis to call us out.
5. We didn't want Lewis to call us out.
ajprice said:
"Recent events have provided greater awareness that much more can and needs to be done..."So I presume they think that the killing of one black person in America by a white person means that they need to "speak up and act against these issues". Not sure how Mercedes intend to decrease black murders in America?
I can't beleive a large company can be quite so stupid to risk having its self viewed as being in alliance or agreeing with an anarchist movement. The fact that said company don't exactly have the cleanest of histories involving racial issues makes it all the more bemusing.
DOCG said:
IforB said:
If being anti-racism makes me a marxist, then I'll be happy to be called "Comrade."
As it doesn't, then stop making yourself so damned silly by trying to justify your frankly unpleasant stance and be honest with yourself and the rest of us.
We all know why people are opposed to BLM and it has nothing to do with marxism, it is to do with it shining a light on people's own prejudices and them not liking it.
Suck it up buttercup.
You are a truly dishonest person, I never even expressed a stance on BLM, and I certainly never stated that being anti-racist=Marxist. Any political organisation will face opposition and to simplify it as to being due to a just single reason if just wrong. As it doesn't, then stop making yourself so damned silly by trying to justify your frankly unpleasant stance and be honest with yourself and the rest of us.
We all know why people are opposed to BLM and it has nothing to do with marxism, it is to do with it shining a light on people's own prejudices and them not liking it.
Suck it up buttercup.
Text book.
Why are you so upset about a movement that wants equality?
thiscocks said:
"Recent events have provided greater awareness that much more can and needs to be done..."
So I presume they think that the killing of one black person in America by a white person means that they need to "speak up and act against these issues". Not sure how Mercedes intend to decrease black murders in America?
Can you not see that they’re not trying to solve racism in America?So I presume they think that the killing of one black person in America by a white person means that they need to "speak up and act against these issues". Not sure how Mercedes intend to decrease black murders in America?
They’re trying to do something. Raise awareness. Starting in their own house. It’s a small thing, arguably token, but at least they’re doing something.
Your argument is equivalent to questioning why I’d wear a red ribbon unless I’m going to cure AIDS.
Muzzer79 said:
Can you not see that they’re not trying to solve racism in America?
They’re trying to do something. Raise awareness. Starting in their own house. It’s a small thing, arguably token, but at least they’re doing something.
Your argument is equivalent to questioning why I’d wear a red ribbon unless I’m going to cure AIDS.
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces). They’re trying to do something. Raise awareness. Starting in their own house. It’s a small thing, arguably token, but at least they’re doing something.
Your argument is equivalent to questioning why I’d wear a red ribbon unless I’m going to cure AIDS.
All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
thiscocks said:
Muzzer79 said:
Can you not see that they’re not trying to solve racism in America?
They’re trying to do something. Raise awareness. Starting in their own house. It’s a small thing, arguably token, but at least they’re doing something.
Your argument is equivalent to questioning why I’d wear a red ribbon unless I’m going to cure AIDS.
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces). They’re trying to do something. Raise awareness. Starting in their own house. It’s a small thing, arguably token, but at least they’re doing something.
Your argument is equivalent to questioning why I’d wear a red ribbon unless I’m going to cure AIDS.
All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
I don’t expect you to be able to answer that questions because Mercedes themselves don’t know. But they want to find out. The answer won’t be that Mercedes have a overt racist recruitment strategy it will be much more subtle.
ajprice said:
Not really. 5 questions, 1 reason. And ‘we didn’t want Lewis to call us out’ is a much more succinct way to put it.
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
TheDeuce said:
sparta6 said:
Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career 
But why does it matter to him? He wouldn't be able to do anything or live anywhere if he avoided all connections with all companies and places that have some level or racial discrimination in their history. Britain certainly does..He's judging those that he sees as creating problems with equality today. There isn't a problem with Daimler Benz's behavior or associations today so there is noting to fix or judge.
And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.
I don't know of another country as open and diverse.
Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
Your posts paint a picture; that you’ve never lived in the real world. Maybe one day you’ll get a taste.
Just repeatedly posting that Lewis is neither here nor there re’ Nazi’s - because their car is best - is about the thickest, dumbest, stupidest thing I’ve ever read on Pistonheads. And there’s a mountain to choose from
Lewis is yet to comment on the injustice of something his Paymasters were involved with just 80 years ago.
Maybe he just doesn't know ?!
We are all equally entitled to our own views
Teddy Lop said:
IforB said:
Ah yes. Faux outrage followed by insult.
Text book.
Why are you so upset about a movement that wants equality?
you really believe that, don't you?Text book.
Why are you so upset about a movement that wants equality?
It is a dictionary definition response to a question that makes people uncomfortable.
Fear is exactly what is driving the opposition to BLM. Most of it simply fear of having prejudices reflected back that many didn't even realise they had.
In this case, it is as obvious as the nose on Pinocchio's face.
Changing a car colour in support of equal rights and equal treatment is hardly anything negative, yet for some reason people are getting angry.
Anger is usually driven by fear. Therfore, it is entirely appropriate to ask what is driving that fear and consequently the anger that is there for us all to see.
It is fascinating. Disturbing to see just how far we still have to come, but fascinating nonetheless.
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