Black Mercedes.

[Bo_apex]

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

[otolith]

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

[LucyP]

kambites said:

Obviously voicing support for anti-discriminatory movements and encouraging internal diversity aren't quite the same thing, but they're clearly related.

Edited by kambites on Friday 3rd July 11:55

But when you associate yourself with a Marxist organisation that wants to smash the system, that many other organisations are now distancing themselves from/banning their staff from any such association/promotion/endorsement, then you are not advancing any reasonable cause at all.

[Bo_apex]

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

Presumably for the same reasons we rarely see any black Olympic swimmers.

Mother Nature at work ?

[otolith]

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

Presumably for the same reasons we rarely see any black Olympic swimmers.

Mother Nature at work ?

You think black people have different brains?

[SturdyHSV]

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

Presumably for the same reasons we rarely see any black Olympic swimmers.

Mother Nature at work ?

At what point does this burning desire form then?

I'm trying to understand if your view point is that Michael Phelps say, was born with a burning desire to win Olympic gold medals in various swimming disciplines...? I mean, I know DNA is complicated stuff, but for it to hard wire in a burning desire for human constructs such as a gold medal in the olympics, that's pretty impressive.

Or are you of the mind he perhaps saw the Olympics on TV and wanted to do that? Or perhaps just wanted to be the best in the world at it? Is it feasible that access to swimming pools and good swimming teachers (who had enough similar students to be experienced and good teachers etc. and make a living at it) and parents with the time / money / level of interest in their child to pay for these things, helped by a belief that it was possible for their son to compete based on their own experiences of the world, could any of those environmental factors have maybe helped this alleged burning desire that 'comes from within' from mother nature?

I bet there aren't a lot of black people represented in equestrian sports either, or fencing, or yacht racing. So weird how mother nature works isn't it? It must just be because little Timmy was born with that burning desire to win the America's Cup right, because that's just how his (white) brain works?

[Bo_apex]

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

Presumably for the same reasons we rarely see any black Olympic swimmers.

Mother Nature at work ?

You think black people have different brains?

???

Different career interests.

[Bo_apex]

SturdyHSV said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

Presumably for the same reasons we rarely see any black Olympic swimmers.

Mother Nature at work ?

At what point does this burning desire form then?

I'm trying to understand if your view point is that Michael Phelps say, was born with a burning desire to win Olympic gold medals in various swimming disciplines...? I mean, I know DNA is complicated stuff, but for it to hard wire in a burning desire for human constructs such as a gold medal in the olympics, that's pretty impressive.

Or are you of the mind he perhaps saw the Olympics on TV and wanted to do that? Or perhaps just wanted to be the best in the world at it? Is it feasible that access to swimming pools and good swimming teachers (who had enough similar students to be experienced and good teachers etc. and make a living at it) and parents with the time / money / level of interest in their child to pay for these things, helped by a belief that it was possible for their son to compete based on their own experiences of the world, could any of those environmental factors have maybe helped this alleged burning desire that 'comes from within' from mother nature?

I bet there aren't a lot of black people represented in equestrian sports either, or fencing, or yacht racing. So weird how mother nature works isn't it? It must just be because little Timmy was born with that burning desire to win the America's Cup right, because that's just how his (white) brain works?

Burning desires existed way before the advent of TV !

Lewis posesses a burning desire, and he worked hard developing his skills to accompany that desire. He has subsequently been supported by white people with the requisite resources.

It's our own limiting beliefs that hold us back.

[SturdyHSV]

Bo_apex said:

It's our own limiting beliefs that hold us back.

Do those come from mother nature as well?

[otolith]

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

Presumably for the same reasons we rarely see any black Olympic swimmers.

Mother Nature at work ?

You think black people have different brains?

???

Different career interests.

Where do they come from? You seem to be saying that black people cannot have burning desires to be automotive engineers because they are black, and you aren't telling me what it is about being black that you think makes that happen except that you don't think it is their environment.

[Bo_apex]

SturdyHSV said:

Bo_apex said:

It's our own limiting beliefs that hold us back.

Do those come from mother nature as well?

That's an example of one right there

[rscott]

LucyP said:

kambites said:

Obviously voicing support for anti-discriminatory movements and encouraging internal diversity aren't quite the same thing, but they're clearly related.

Edited by kambites on Friday 3rd July 11:55

But when you associate yourself with a Marxist organisation that wants to smash the system, that many other organisations are now distancing themselves from/banning their staff from any such association/promotion/endorsement, then you are not advancing any reasonable cause at all.

I see you're still posting the same crap on here. Mercedes haven't associated themselves with BLM at all.

[Bo_apex]

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

otolith said:

Bo_apex said:

If you can teach somebody how to posess a burning desire I would very much like to see that.

A burning desire comes from within.

From being white?

???

A burning desire for a particular career

Yeah. But if it's intrinsic and not learnt, why would white kids have it and not black kids?

Presumably for the same reasons we rarely see any black Olympic swimmers.

Mother Nature at work ?

You think black people have different brains?

???

Different career interests.

Where do they come from? You seem to be saying that black people cannot have burning desires to be automotive engineers because they are black, and you aren't telling me what it is about being black that you think makes that happen except that you don't think it is their environment.

That is not what I've been saying at all.

Anybody can choose a career in motorsport, and if they posess a burning desire so much the better.
It's the burning desire that makes us put in that extra mile.

Lewis is a fine example.

[SturdyHSV]

Bo_apex said:

SturdyHSV said:

Bo_apex said:

It's our own limiting beliefs that hold us back.

Do those come from mother nature as well?

That's an example of one right there

Forgive me but as this is the internet, I feel some of the subtlety and nuance of the point you're making might be being lost on me.

As a 'see the best in people' sort of person, I was half of the mind that you were deliberately putting forward a fairly obtuse set of posts to effectively counter the argument you were pretending to be making by effectively highlighting the weakness of such flawed thinking.

If so then we're feasibly in agreement already and trying to further understand your (on the face of it) alternate point of view is a waste of time as it's a role you're playing.

Or I could be totally wrong there and you do genuinely believe black people's brains are just genetically disinterested in engineering and swimming and horse riding etc., but you're not interested in having an actual discussion about it, and once again I'm wasting my time.

Either way, FP2 is on so enjoy

[crankedup]

rscott said:

crankedup said:

Horace Van Khute said:

crankedup said:

Can’t recall seeing a black person, not one, in the F1 pit crew, maybe this season will see a racially more balanced crew?

I'm not sure why you singled out black people as missing from diversity, I mostly see whites, so Asian / ME and so on are also not in the mix. Don't be a racist homie.

Now, any logical person would ask this question - is it because F1 teams are purposely blocking non whites from being part of F1?

Mercedes have stated they are supporting black lives matter, hence painting their cars predominately black. Such concern hasn’t, to my recollection, seen such support of black lives within their pit crew. Surely a couple of token black skinned crew members would have given such a high profile global team a huge recognition of support.

I guess you didn't bother reading Mercedes statement about why they're doing it? They don't want token BAME representation, but want to ensure they hire the very best talent available from the widest possible pool.
Part of that includes investigating why BAME and women are under-represented - if it turns out it's a problem with their recruiting process, then they'll change it, but if they determine that those groups simply don't want to work in F1, then it doesn't mean they'll hire them for the sake of diversity.

Yes I read it and prefer not to take the ‘spin’ to seriously. I judged upon past performance before it became fashionable and high profile to support ‘black lives’. Genuine it might well be, but I’m a cynic when it comes to Corporate messaging.

[thiscocks]

otolith said:

thiscocks said:

otolith said:

thiscocks said:

..but are responsible for 50% of the murders... Facts are racist

And your theory for why that is would be?

Who said it was a theory, it's been a fact for years. Not hard to find the stats. This is for 2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in...

I'm not asking you where the number is coming from.

I repeat my question - your theory for why that is would be?

Oh, sorry. Others who have all the facts could give you more reasons but as I understand the main reason is the lack of a family and so education / life direction when growing up.

[thiscocks]

ash73 said:

Lewis' new helmet design...

I personally cannot believe someone hasn't told him that it's probably not the best idea to have the logo which is the symbol of black nationalist parties and communism on his helmet.

I seriously thought he'd have more sense than that. Only goes to show how misguided and ignorant he is.

[kambites]

Or perhaps you're just wrong about what the slogan and movement means to 99.9% of people who support it?

I'd bet a higher proportion of people who fly a St George's Cross are extremists than of those who have a BLM banner. In either case viewing the symbol as the province of the extremists is giving them exactly what they want.

[F1GTRUeno]

It looks amazing.

Like a modern version of the Sauber 1994 livery

[RONV]

kambites said:

Or perhaps you're just wrong about what the slogan and movement means to 99.9% of people who support it?

I'd bet a higher proportion of people who fly a St George's Cross are extremists than of those who have a BLM banner. In either case viewing the symbol as the province of the extremists is giving them exactly what they want.

I always fly this when I am in France with our French Motor Club on their runs this is at the D-DAY Beaches

Edited by RONV on Friday 3rd July 19:15