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vdn said:
As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Oh bless, you actually believe whatever people say on camera?So tell me, what's so amazing about diversity? Does it improve performance?
faa77 said:
vdn said:
As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Oh bless, you actually believe whatever people say on camera?So tell me, what's so amazing about diversity? Does it improve performance?
Oh dear.
PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
vdn said:
You keep saying you’ll see me soon. Are you a stalker, a spy or a fantasist. I reckon the latter 
As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Must sting.
You think it’s a bad thing; you’ve made that clear... for reasons you can’t properly explain but then, that’s no surprise given you’re comparing being a model to being involved in motorsport.
You’ve been hanging around with models for too long and it’s rubbed off. Thick as two short.
Honestly can't believe you are still interacting with these two. I do however admire your persistence. As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Must sting.
You think it’s a bad thing; you’ve made that clear... for reasons you can’t properly explain but then, that’s no surprise given you’re comparing being a model to being involved in motorsport.
You’ve been hanging around with models for too long and it’s rubbed off. Thick as two short.
vdn said:
Persistence is one way of putting it. Pissing into the wind is another
Given that the FIA, Formula One and the race teams are now taking action on diversity and discrimination, it's ok to bail out of this "debate" now. It's happening and will continue to gain momentum (20 years too late according to one driver recently), and there's no stopping it. df76 said:
Given that the FIA, Formula One and the race teams are now taking action on diversity and discrimination, it's ok to bail out of this "debate" now. It's happening and will continue to gain momentum (20 years too late according to one driver recently), and there's no stopping it.
I'm against discrimination, but forced-diversity is a panic-reaction by lefties who are embarrassed their multiculturalism project failed.In the absence of discrimination lack of diversity simply means some groups of people prefer not to participate in some events.
faa77 said:
I'm against discrimination, but forced-diversity is a panic-reaction by lefties who are embarrassed their multiculturalism project failed.
In the absence of discrimination lack of diversity simply means some groups of people prefer not to participate in some events.
if we're explaining every non representative participation today as a product of discrimination and bias with no other admissible influential factors, there's an absolute ton of sports the righteous woke seem to be avoiding...In the absence of discrimination lack of diversity simply means some groups of people prefer not to participate in some events.
faa77 said:
This all smells like Mercedes being worried Lewis won't re-sign and doing all this to appease him.
considering the lack of options for Lewis now the Ferrari seat is filled, i'd say the boot is on the other foot ...especially as there is a multi WDC looking for employment next season ...& a German one at thatso whatever you're smelling, it aint coffee
faa77 said:
I'm against discrimination, but forced-diversity is a panic-reaction by lefties who are embarrassed their multiculturalism project failed.
In the absence of discrimination lack of diversity simply means some groups of people prefer not to participate in some events.
Not really. You can't just say one day that discrimination no longer exists (we're a long way from that day by the way) and then expect everything to be equal from that day.In the absence of discrimination lack of diversity simply means some groups of people prefer not to participate in some events.
When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
Ok vdn, as an employer myself I can see you're still struggling and in consideration of others who may be jaded, I will keep this brief.
1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
You keep saying you’ll see me soon. Are you a stalker, a spy or a fantasist. I reckon the latter 1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Must sting.
You think it’s a bad thing; you’ve made that clear... for reasons you can’t properly explain but then, that’s no surprise given you’re comparing being a model to being involved in motorsport.
You’ve been hanging around with models for too long and it’s rubbed off. Thick as two short.
Little wonder you find yourself stuck
You simply do not understand the fundamentals.The difference between you and Hamilton is your own personal philosophy.
Hamilton has not blamed anyone for his success
Kraken said:
It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
At it's root, positive discrimination is just discrimination against the non-minority!To be honest, if I was in a minority group, I'd be pretty pissed off that someone have me a higher position (whether it's money, status or something else) than I earned just because I was in a minority group.
If I was Siebel who replaced Ohanian at Reddit, I wouldn't see it as a good thing that the only reason I got to the board was because a white guy stepped aside for a black guy to take that role.
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
Ok vdn, as an employer myself I can see you're still struggling and in consideration of others who may be jaded, I will keep this brief.
1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
You keep saying you’ll see me soon. Are you a stalker, a spy or a fantasist. I reckon the latter 1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Must sting.
You think it’s a bad thing; you’ve made that clear... for reasons you can’t properly explain but then, that’s no surprise given you’re comparing being a model to being involved in motorsport.
You’ve been hanging around with models for too long and it’s rubbed off. Thick as two short.
Little wonder you find yourself stuck
You simply do not understand the fundamentals.The difference between you and Hamilton is your own personal philosophy.
Hamilton has not blamed anyone for his success
Nice try. No cigar
Kraken said:
Not really. You can't just say one day that discrimination no longer exists (we're a long way from that day by the way) and then expect everything to be equal from that day.
When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
Good post.When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
It always amazes me that people don’t see that racial discrimination still exists in this country.
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MiniMan64 said:
Kraken said:
Not really. You can't just say one day that discrimination no longer exists (we're a long way from that day by the way) and then expect everything to be equal from that day.
When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
Good post.When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
It always amazes me that people don’t see that racial discrimination still exists in this country.
Kraken said:
Not really. You can't just say one day that discrimination no longer exists (we're a long way from that day by the way) and then expect everything to be equal from that day.
When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
That's all very sensible, yet I'm still not sure positive discrimination to artificially compensate and correct the effects of from past wrongs is the way forward. By your point, that in itself sets in place a new culture of discrimination that would also likely continue in its effects after the initial imbalance has been restored.When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
TheDeuce said:
Kraken said:
Not really. You can't just say one day that discrimination no longer exists (we're a long way from that day by the way) and then expect everything to be equal from that day.
When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
That's all very sensible, yet I'm still not sure positive discrimination to artificially compensate and correct the effects of from past wrongs is the way forward. By your point, that in itself sets in place a new culture of discrimination that would also likely continue in its effects after the initial imbalance has been restored.When the budgets caps come into F1 do you expect every team to have exactly the same chance of winning every GP? Of course not because some teams have had the lions share of the money for decades.
It's the same with discrimination. You could say it's all equal today so two new born babies, one a minority and one white, now have equal opportunity but of course they don't because one set of parents had far more opportunity than the other for their lifetimes.
True equality takes generations once the playing field has been levelled. It's one reason why positive discrimination exists in some areas to speed up that process.
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
Ok vdn, as an employer myself I can see you're still struggling and in consideration of others who may be jaded, I will keep this brief.
1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
You keep saying you’ll see me soon. Are you a stalker, a spy or a fantasist. I reckon the latter 1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Must sting.
You think it’s a bad thing; you’ve made that clear... for reasons you can’t properly explain but then, that’s no surprise given you’re comparing being a model to being involved in motorsport.
You’ve been hanging around with models for too long and it’s rubbed off. Thick as two short.
Little wonder you find yourself stuck
You simply do not understand the fundamentals.The difference between you and Hamilton is your own personal philosophy.
Hamilton has not blamed anyone for his success
Nice try. No cigar
It's there for all to see, vdn believes black workers in the fashion industry are stupid
How does that make you feel ?
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
Ok vdn, as an employer myself I can see you're still struggling and in consideration of others who may be jaded, I will keep this brief.
1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
You keep saying you’ll see me soon. Are you a stalker, a spy or a fantasist. I reckon the latter 1.
When Naomi (Campbell) first broke into mainstream we were delighted but not surprised as we knew her from the times spent hanging together in South London.
Some 7 or 8 months later there was a significant uplift in new black candidates, both male and female, knocking on the industry doors. We susbequently worked with several other black models, both male and female, since that mainstream breakthrough by Naomi.
CUT TO: Motorsport.
Hamilton broke through into mainstream 15 years ago.
But there hasn't been a significant uplift of black candidates knocking on the industry doors.
In a sector where it's all about gaining 0.01 of a second, you would think 15 years is enough time for motivated black talent to step forward into their chosen career and begin knocking on doors.
Equal Opportunity and Discrimination Laws have been in situ for many years.
In the UK at least.
Could it simply be down to different interests, or lack of motivation perhaps ?
I do realise however that humans can find it easier to sit back and blame something else. A particular Government of the day is usually a good place to start.
2.
Your command of prose and punctuation has room for improvement.
See you soon
As for motorsport and F1... the powers that be, teams and almost every notable figure are all agreement... a diversity drive is a good thing.
Must sting.
You think it’s a bad thing; you’ve made that clear... for reasons you can’t properly explain but then, that’s no surprise given you’re comparing being a model to being involved in motorsport.
You’ve been hanging around with models for too long and it’s rubbed off. Thick as two short.
Little wonder you find yourself stuck
You simply do not understand the fundamentals.The difference between you and Hamilton is your own personal philosophy.
Hamilton has not blamed anyone for his success
Nice try. No cigar
It's there for all to see, vdn believes black workers in the fashion industry are stupid
How does that make you feel ?
Exige77 said:
Just look at the BBC
Working on shows for the BBC is at times a very limiting experience compared to other channels/networks. As a publicly funded organisation the BBC have to try and keep so many people happy that an obscene number of boxes have to be ticked - with often slightly contrived results.There is a healthy balance and I think they overstep it quite often.. But then what choice do they have these days? Everyone has a view on everything, and the 'unique way the BBC are funded' means they're held to account more than any of their competitors. There's not really an answer to that problem - they were created and committed to their charter in very different times to those we live in today.
Sorry for going OT, but I do think the BBC are an interesting case of potential over compensation.
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