Black Mercedes.
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amgmcqueen said:
Sorry but i hate to see this pathetic, virtue signalling nonsense.
Sport and politics should never mix.
It's increasingly hard to maintain that as 'sport is a platform' from which to fix the world.. That's the new sentiment, if you can do something, you should.Sport and politics should never mix.
Which is a shame, as we're all bombarded with this stuff in the media constantly - and generally I agree with the issues people are seeking to solve... But watching F1 used to be a pure F1 only escape from everything else. I don't think it's unreasonable that sport should exist in it's own little universe, or that we should all have avenues of escape from the furore of modern life.
ash73 said:
From a corporate point of view it's probably the right (on) thing to do, time will tell.
I expect there'll be notably more black employees in front of the camera too.
But it makes me cringe, blacking up the car doesn't exactly have the right connotations... imho.
Surprised there isn't a rainbow somewhere on the livery, to achieve maximum woke.
woke = maximum cringe.I expect there'll be notably more black employees in front of the camera too.
But it makes me cringe, blacking up the car doesn't exactly have the right connotations... imho.
Surprised there isn't a rainbow somewhere on the livery, to achieve maximum woke.
DOCG said:
HustleRussell said:
DOCG said:
HustleRussell said:
While I'm on my soap box, from what limited reading I have done, the initiatives launched by Hamilton and Mercedes appear to be very sensible and holistic in their approach in such a way that it could benefit young BAME people within and without F1. This is very refreshing compared to some of the efforts I have seen to make my backwater of Engineering more inclusive over the years.
What specific aspects of engineering do you think have been exclusive to this point and need changing?I understand your question but to give an appropriate response I want to know what you're driving at.
I could assume but personally I don't like it when people do that
Am I to assume that your view is that engineering has never been overtly or deliberately exclusive? Could I extend that to conclude that you think that the situation as it is, is fine?
rscott said:
HedgeyGedgey said:
The thing that gets me is its all because Lewis has stood up and said its a white dominated sport. Its the best of the best, whats he suggesting that teams now shouldn't scout out the best of the best instead pick their team based on their race. Isnt that just racist anyway. And Mercedes answer to all this is to just paint the car black, do we now call them the black arrows? Or is that racist because one drive is black? Or do we call them the black and white arrows? Wait I've got it, the multicultural arrows!!!! Has a ring to it I think
That's not what Mercedes are saying at all - their announcement is that they'll aim to widen the sources they attract applicants from, to encourage people who may not normally apply. Not that they'll be selecting who they employ to hit quotas.Europa1 said:
rscott said:
HedgeyGedgey said:
The thing that gets me is its all because Lewis has stood up and said its a white dominated sport. Its the best of the best, whats he suggesting that teams now shouldn't scout out the best of the best instead pick their team based on their race. Isnt that just racist anyway. And Mercedes answer to all this is to just paint the car black, do we now call them the black arrows? Or is that racist because one drive is black? Or do we call them the black and white arrows? Wait I've got it, the multicultural arrows!!!! Has a ring to it I think
That's not what Mercedes are saying at all - their announcement is that they'll aim to widen the sources they attract applicants from, to encourage people who may not normally apply. Not that they'll be selecting who they employ to hit quotas.Why does getting the "representative" number of black people on board require special effort? I'm thinking at the very start of the process at school.. It's not as if black pupils don't have the exact same opportunities to get in to engineering or various technologies as the white students.
Serious question: Why aren't there a representative number of black people entering the sport via the existing channels that white people enter?
TheDeuce said:
Europa1 said:
rscott said:
HedgeyGedgey said:
The thing that gets me is its all because Lewis has stood up and said its a white dominated sport. Its the best of the best, whats he suggesting that teams now shouldn't scout out the best of the best instead pick their team based on their race. Isnt that just racist anyway. And Mercedes answer to all this is to just paint the car black, do we now call them the black arrows? Or is that racist because one drive is black? Or do we call them the black and white arrows? Wait I've got it, the multicultural arrows!!!! Has a ring to it I think
That's not what Mercedes are saying at all - their announcement is that they'll aim to widen the sources they attract applicants from, to encourage people who may not normally apply. Not that they'll be selecting who they employ to hit quotas.Why does getting the "representative" number of black people on board require special effort? I'm thinking at the very start of the process at school.. It's not as if black pupils don't have the exact same opportunities to get in to engineering or various technologies as the white students.
Serious question: Why aren't there a representative number of black people entering the sport via the existing channels that white people enter?
Could also be that motorsport is perceived by some parts of society as a sport for young white men and so they don't see it as a career as they don't think they'll fit in. So by engaging more with those sectors, they encourage them to, at the very least, consider applying.
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct. Hopefully one day an average joe black kid can rise to the top of motorsport without prejudice based purely on his or her tallant speed and natural ability and maybe even a black president one day will run the USA.
Motorsport is the (not even least) one place race doesn't matter speed is all that matters. If one driver can do 1min 16.2 round a track and another 1 min 16.1 with every other factor being equal money, experience etc the fastest will get the job.
Motorsport is the (not even least) one place race doesn't matter speed is all that matters. If one driver can do 1min 16.2 round a track and another 1 min 16.1 with every other factor being equal money, experience etc the fastest will get the job.
vulture1 said:
Motorsport is the (not even least) one place race doesn't matter speed is all that matters. If one driver can do 1min 16.2 round a track and another 1 min 16.1 with every other factor being equal money, experience etc the fastest will get the job.
And what about the rest of the team?
HustleRussell said:
Yes, angle.
I understand your question but to give an appropriate response I want to know what you're driving at.
I could assume but personally I don't like it when people do that
Am I to assume that your view is that engineering has never been overtly or deliberately exclusive? Could I extend that to conclude that you think that the situation as it is, is fine?
I am asking in what way it was/is exclusive. And no, your assumptions are wholly inaccurate, I am simply wanting to learn more. I understand your question but to give an appropriate response I want to know what you're driving at.
I could assume but personally I don't like it when people do that
Am I to assume that your view is that engineering has never been overtly or deliberately exclusive? Could I extend that to conclude that you think that the situation as it is, is fine?
TheDeuce said:
thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
BMW drivers are very misunderstood. The only reason we all drive and park like a
holes is because people never let us out of side roads - it's a vicious circle 
BMW drivers seem to have mellowed over the last few years. Most of the real holes is because people never let us out of side roads - it's a vicious circle s have moved on to driving Audis anyway. s still drive Beemers. It's just that BMW sell so many cars these days, their simply aren't enough s to go round anymore.
Having just driven through the whole lock down process on the M25 i couldn't agree more . Audi drivers .... just need to tell us what your doing . I could get a Crystal ball but that would be cheating .
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct. HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct. vulture1 said:
If one driver can do 1min 16.2 round a track and another 1 min 16.1 with every other factor being equal money, experience etc the fastest will get the job.
If one driver can do 1min 16.2 round a track and another 1 min 16.1 with every other factor being equal money, experience etc the fastest should get the job. I fixed it for you....
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct. Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff