Black Mercedes.
Discussion
ajprice said:
I like it
Is the solid black paint lighter than metallic silver? Might be a weight benefit even if it's only a kg or so. The chrome McLaren paint was heavier back when they had their Vodafone livery cars.
I like it too.Is the solid black paint lighter than metallic silver? Might be a weight benefit even if it's only a kg or so. The chrome McLaren paint was heavier back when they had their Vodafone livery cars.
Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.
Piginapoke said:
DeltonaS said:
I like it too.
Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.
Black both absorbs and radiates more heat than white, it'll be fineMercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Duz6bPeFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcaiwad2M-U
Europa1 said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct. As Russell says however, if Mercedes are setting out to find out 'why', the chances are they will. It could simply be personal preference at a young age that is more likely to send white kids down a path that could lead in engineering than black kids. If you surveyed 1000 white and 1000 black kids, the results could be interesting, but then you would have to unpick the reasons behind the responses - a gargantuan task. I'm sure Mercedes will get a decent job done though and throw some light on the issue in the end - they don't seem capable of failing.
TonyToniTone said:
anyone who mentioned woke, wasn't doing so because they love it.
Can't stand the word 'woke'. I love the paint job though... I remain divided on whether or not I agree with this sort of campaign being so poignant in motorsport.It's obviously doing it's job though, it's a talking point. It absolutely WILL work in that regard.
TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
I think it's common knowledge that is part of it... But this thread isn't really about BLM. Nor is Mercedes new paint job or initiative.TheDeuce said:
Understood and agreed... But that still doesn't explain why black people are apparently less likely to find their way into engineering roles. And I work with engineers all over the world - few are black, no real clue as to why that is the case
We've done a lot of unconscious bias research at my workplace and it's remarkable how much that creeps in and just how prevalent it is. If you imagine that all the way through the chain, from school careers advisers to recruitment agencies to interview panels etc, it could be - for example - that people of colour or indeed women are steered away from engineering, motorsport etc in subtle ways without anyone even realising they are doing it. I've no doubt Mercedes will do a deep dive on all of that to get to the bottom of it.Quite timely but a study was released today showing football commentators are significantly more likely to praise light skinned players for their intelligence, creativity etc, where as dark skinned players are praised for their pace and power.
That sort of thing can be found everywhere. It's not about employing people of colour to make up quotas, it's about finding out why they may be underrepresented in the first place and trying to fix why that might be.
TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
Probably why Mercedes haven't referenced BLM anywhere on the livery or in their press releases.ash73 said:
TheDeuce said:
TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
I think it's common knowledge that is part of it... But this thread isn't really about BLM. Nor is Mercedes new paint job or initiative.I'll believe that when I see it.
Sorry for the off topic drift
Lewis shouldn't have been the first Black F1 driver on the grid - Willy T Ribbs tested for Bernie's Brabham Team in 1986, was fast, but didn't get the nod...
see the Netflix film Uppity for more details.
If Ribbs had made it into F1 then, it wouldn't be such an issue now.
Lewis shouldn't have been the first Black F1 driver on the grid - Willy T Ribbs tested for Bernie's Brabham Team in 1986, was fast, but didn't get the nod...
see the Netflix film Uppity for more details.
If Ribbs had made it into F1 then, it wouldn't be such an issue now.
ash73 said:
rscott said:
ash73 said:
TheDeuce said:
TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
I think it's common knowledge that is part of it... But this thread isn't really about BLM. Nor is Mercedes new paint job or initiative.I'll believe that when I see it.
This reminds me of the Arab Spring, all the idiots got excited about their brave new world and I knew it would be a disaster from the start.
Mercedes have made a move that satisfies their need to respond 'somehow' as it seems everyone is expected to respond somehow. They have also no doubt delighted their star driver, ensured endless positive headlines for themselves and as a kicker their car now looks better than ever. And they might even get to the bottom of the question as to why there are not more black people in F1.
They've played their hand very well on this.
ukaskew said:
TheDeuce said:
Understood and agreed... But that still doesn't explain why black people are apparently less likely to find their way into engineering roles. And I work with engineers all over the world - few are black, no real clue as to why that is the case
We've done a lot of unconscious bias research at my workplace and it's remarkable how much that creeps in and just how prevalent it is. If you imagine that all the way through the chain, from school careers advisers to recruitment agencies to interview panels etc, it could be - for example - that people of colour or indeed women are steered away from engineering, motorsport etc in subtle ways without anyone even realising they are doing it. I've no doubt Mercedes will do a deep dive on all of that to get to the bottom of it.Quite timely but a study was released today showing football commentators are significantly more likely to praise light skinned players for their intelligence, creativity etc, where as dark skinned players are praised for their pace and power.
That sort of thing can be found everywhere. It's not about employing people of colour to make up quotas, it's about finding out why they may be underrepresented in the first place and trying to fix why that might be.
Specifically in the example of football commentators, I suppose the question would ultimately be if they have a view/expectation of black players due to incorrect racial stereotyping, or if that subconscious view has developed because statistically black players are indeed more likely to employ speed and power and white players more likely to rely on quick thinking (need the stats on play style in addition to the stats on how commentators relate to have the full equation). The further such questions are pushed, the more likely it is that some interesting answers could result. I think part of the problem is that as a species we currently seek equality in very basic terms.. at some point we may have to accept that the provision of opportunity should be equal, but that the uptake of that opportunity in many cases never will be. Also that there are thousands of generations of breeding and culture behind each racial group and that will result in different concentrations of ability, skill, desire and instinct.
All people should be treated as equal overall. But when trialled in certain jobs or skills, it's surely certain that different groups will prove to have differing levels of ability (statistically overall), or quite simply different levels of inclination.
Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 30th June 00:49
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