Black Mercedes.

Black Mercedes.

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jsf

17,763 posts

192 months

Monday 29th June
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vulture1 said:
Hopefully one day an average joe black kid can rise to the top of motorsport without prejudice based purely on his or her tallant speed and natural ability and maybe even a black president one day will run the USA.
Both of those examples have one white parent.

Europa1

10,532 posts

144 months

Monday 29th June
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HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct.
Indeed, and it's something the profession as a whole is starting to think about - why aren't kids from those backgrounds (or more women) choosing engineering as a career? And some of the answer to that is trying to educate parents more about engineering as a career, which some research suggests is the problem - parents don't feel able to talk to their kids about engineering as a career because they themselves don't know about it or still perceive it as a job where you need to bathe in Swarfega at the end of every day.

Kraken

1,461 posts

156 months

Monday 29th June
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vulture1 said:
If one driver can do 1min 16.2 round a track and another 1 min 16.1 with every other factor being equal money, experience etc the fastest will get the job.
If one driver can do 1min 16.2 round a track and another 1 min 16.1 with every other factor being equal money, experience etc the fastest should get the job.

I fixed it for you....

df76

2,403 posts

234 months

Monday 29th June
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HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct.
Yep, and keeps them on the front page as well. Fine move and clever.

DeltonaS

2,648 posts

94 months

Monday 29th June
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ajprice said:
I like it smile

Is the solid black paint lighter than metallic silver? Might be a weight benefit even if it's only a kg or so. The chrome McLaren paint was heavier back when they had their Vodafone livery cars.
I like it too.

Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.

Piginapoke

1,162 posts

141 months

Monday 29th June
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DeltonaS said:
I like it too.

Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.
Black both absorbs and radiates more heat than white, it'll be fine

PanicBuyingBogRoll

762 posts

18 months

Monday 29th June
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The mental gymnastics people on here and other social media are doing to try and justify their hatred for this is staggering. It just goes to show it is exactly the right thing for Mercedes to be doing.

DeltonaS

2,648 posts

94 months

Monday 29th June
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Piginapoke said:
DeltonaS said:
I like it too.

Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.
Black both absorbs and radiates more heat than white, it'll be fine
No, Arabs drive white cars for a reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Duz6bPeFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcaiwad2M-U

TheDeuce

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6,182 posts

22 months

Monday 29th June
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Europa1 said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct.
Indeed, and it's something the profession as a whole is starting to think about - why aren't kids from those backgrounds (or more women) choosing engineering as a career? And some of the answer to that is trying to educate parents more about engineering as a career, which some research suggests is the problem - parents don't feel able to talk to their kids about engineering as a career because they themselves don't know about it or still perceive it as a job where you need to bathe in Swarfega at the end of every day.
Understood and agreed... But that still doesn't explain why black people are apparently less likely to find their way into engineering roles. And I work with engineers all over the world - few are black, no real clue as to why that is the case confused

As Russell says however, if Mercedes are setting out to find out 'why', the chances are they will. It could simply be personal preference at a young age that is more likely to send white kids down a path that could lead in engineering than black kids. If you surveyed 1000 white and 1000 black kids, the results could be interesting, but then you would have to unpick the reasons behind the responses - a gargantuan task. I'm sure Mercedes will get a decent job done though and throw some light on the issue in the end - they don't seem capable of failing.

TheDeuce

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6,182 posts

22 months

Monday 29th June
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PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
The mental gymnastics people on here and other social media are doing to try and justify their hatred for this is staggering. It just goes to show it is exactly the right thing for Mercedes to be doing.
Who on here has said they hate it?

TonyToniTone

2,765 posts

205 months

Monday 29th June
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anyone who mentioned woke, wasn't doing so because they love it.

TheDeuce

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6,182 posts

22 months

Monday 29th June
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TonyToniTone said:
anyone who mentioned woke, wasn't doing so because they love it.
Can't stand the word 'woke'. I love the paint job though... I remain divided on whether or not I agree with this sort of campaign being so poignant in motorsport.

It's obviously doing it's job though, it's a talking point. It absolutely WILL work in that regard.

confucuis

1,109 posts

80 months

Monday 29th June
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I really like it.

I'm not a fan of using the same livery year on year with tiny changes, so delighted to see something different from Merc. Wish Redbull would try something different as well as they're guilty of not much changing

williamp

17,024 posts

229 months

Monday 29th June
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Reminds me of the mercedes powered Saubers


ajprice

17,968 posts

152 months

Monday 29th June
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williamp said:
Reminds me of the mercedes powered Saubers

[Img]https://i.redd.it/1coklajjofxz.jpg[/thumb]
This one too (C13 from 1994) with the dots similar to the stars pattern

Ozone

2,826 posts

143 months

Monday 29th June
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I wonder if it will turn out like Honda's disastrous 'Earth Dreams' livery in '07. In a 'road to hell is paved with good intentions' kind of way.

Or like when the Merc team had 1930's clothes/ livery for last years German disaster race.

Taking their eye off the ball......

TravelsVeryRapid

482 posts

234 months

Monday 29th June
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What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.

TheDeuce

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6,182 posts

22 months

Monday 29th June
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TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
I think it's common knowledge that is part of it... But this thread isn't really about BLM. Nor is Mercedes new paint job or initiative.

ukaskew

6,042 posts

177 months

Monday 29th June
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TheDeuce said:
Understood and agreed... But that still doesn't explain why black people are apparently less likely to find their way into engineering roles. And I work with engineers all over the world - few are black, no real clue as to why that is the case confused
We've done a lot of unconscious bias research at my workplace and it's remarkable how much that creeps in and just how prevalent it is. If you imagine that all the way through the chain, from school careers advisers to recruitment agencies to interview panels etc, it could be - for example - that people of colour or indeed women are steered away from engineering, motorsport etc in subtle ways without anyone even realising they are doing it. I've no doubt Mercedes will do a deep dive on all of that to get to the bottom of it.

Quite timely but a study was released today showing football commentators are significantly more likely to praise light skinned players for their intelligence, creativity etc, where as dark skinned players are praised for their pace and power.

That sort of thing can be found everywhere. It's not about employing people of colour to make up quotas, it's about finding out why they may be underrepresented in the first place and trying to fix why that might be.

rscott

10,419 posts

147 months

Monday 29th June
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TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
Probably why Mercedes haven't referenced BLM anywhere on the livery or in their press releases.