Black Mercedes.

Black Mercedes.

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DeltonaS

3,707 posts

137 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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ajprice said:
I like it smile

Is the solid black paint lighter than metallic silver? Might be a weight benefit even if it's only a kg or so. The chrome McLaren paint was heavier back when they had their Vodafone livery cars.
I like it too.

Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.

Piginapoke

4,736 posts

184 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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DeltonaS said:
I like it too.

Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.
Black both absorbs and radiates more heat than white, it'll be fine

PanicBuyingBogRoll

1,936 posts

61 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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The mental gymnastics people on here and other social media are doing to try and justify their hatred for this is staggering. It just goes to show it is exactly the right thing for Mercedes to be doing.

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

137 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Piginapoke said:
DeltonaS said:
I like it too.

Mercedes already had overheating problems last season at certain tracks, this won't help.
Black both absorbs and radiates more heat than white, it'll be fine
No, Arabs drive white cars for a reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Duz6bPeFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcaiwad2M-U

TheDeuce

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21,271 posts

65 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Europa1 said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
But why, under their normal recruitment sources, are they less likely to attract a representative number of black people compared to white people?
If you read into it, the exercise is primarily a research effort to explore questions like this. That is why what they are doing, in typically annoying Mercedes / Hamilton style, is precisely correct.
Indeed, and it's something the profession as a whole is starting to think about - why aren't kids from those backgrounds (or more women) choosing engineering as a career? And some of the answer to that is trying to educate parents more about engineering as a career, which some research suggests is the problem - parents don't feel able to talk to their kids about engineering as a career because they themselves don't know about it or still perceive it as a job where you need to bathe in Swarfega at the end of every day.
Understood and agreed... But that still doesn't explain why black people are apparently less likely to find their way into engineering roles. And I work with engineers all over the world - few are black, no real clue as to why that is the case confused

As Russell says however, if Mercedes are setting out to find out 'why', the chances are they will. It could simply be personal preference at a young age that is more likely to send white kids down a path that could lead in engineering than black kids. If you surveyed 1000 white and 1000 black kids, the results could be interesting, but then you would have to unpick the reasons behind the responses - a gargantuan task. I'm sure Mercedes will get a decent job done though and throw some light on the issue in the end - they don't seem capable of failing.

TheDeuce

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21,271 posts

65 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
The mental gymnastics people on here and other social media are doing to try and justify their hatred for this is staggering. It just goes to show it is exactly the right thing for Mercedes to be doing.
Who on here has said they hate it?

TonyToniTone

3,420 posts

248 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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anyone who mentioned woke, wasn't doing so because they love it.

TheDeuce

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21,271 posts

65 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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TonyToniTone said:
anyone who mentioned woke, wasn't doing so because they love it.
Can't stand the word 'woke'. I love the paint job though... I remain divided on whether or not I agree with this sort of campaign being so poignant in motorsport.

It's obviously doing it's job though, it's a talking point. It absolutely WILL work in that regard.

confucuis

1,303 posts

123 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I really like it.

I'm not a fan of using the same livery year on year with tiny changes, so delighted to see something different from Merc. Wish Redbull would try something different as well as they're guilty of not much changing

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Reminds me of the mercedes powered Saubers


ajprice

27,315 posts

195 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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williamp said:
Reminds me of the mercedes powered Saubers

[Img]https://i.redd.it/1coklajjofxz.jpg[/thumb]
This one too (C13 from 1994) with the dots similar to the stars pattern

Ozone

3,039 posts

186 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I wonder if it will turn out like Honda's disastrous 'Earth Dreams' livery in '07. In a 'road to hell is paved with good intentions' kind of way.

Or like when the Merc team had 1930's clothes/ livery for last years German disaster race.

Taking their eye off the ball......

TravelsVeryRapid

516 posts

277 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.

TheDeuce

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21,271 posts

65 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
I think it's common knowledge that is part of it... But this thread isn't really about BLM. Nor is Mercedes new paint job or initiative.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

220 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Understood and agreed... But that still doesn't explain why black people are apparently less likely to find their way into engineering roles. And I work with engineers all over the world - few are black, no real clue as to why that is the case confused
We've done a lot of unconscious bias research at my workplace and it's remarkable how much that creeps in and just how prevalent it is. If you imagine that all the way through the chain, from school careers advisers to recruitment agencies to interview panels etc, it could be - for example - that people of colour or indeed women are steered away from engineering, motorsport etc in subtle ways without anyone even realising they are doing it. I've no doubt Mercedes will do a deep dive on all of that to get to the bottom of it.

Quite timely but a study was released today showing football commentators are significantly more likely to praise light skinned players for their intelligence, creativity etc, where as dark skinned players are praised for their pace and power.

That sort of thing can be found everywhere. It's not about employing people of colour to make up quotas, it's about finding out why they may be underrepresented in the first place and trying to fix why that might be.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
Probably why Mercedes haven't referenced BLM anywhere on the livery or in their press releases.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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ash73 said:
TheDeuce said:
TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
I think it's common knowledge that is part of it... But this thread isn't really about BLM. Nor is Mercedes new paint job or initiative.
So they won't be taking a knee then?

I'll believe that when I see it.
Taking a knee isn't exclusively used as support for the entire BLM agenda - it's often used to simply protest against racial inequality.

dobly

1,166 posts

158 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Sorry for the off topic drift

Lewis shouldn't have been the first Black F1 driver on the grid - Willy T Ribbs tested for Bernie's Brabham Team in 1986, was fast, but didn't get the nod...
see the Netflix film Uppity for more details.
If Ribbs had made it into F1 then, it wouldn't be such an issue now.

TheDeuce

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21,271 posts

65 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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ash73 said:
rscott said:
ash73 said:
TheDeuce said:
TravelsVeryRapid said:
What seems to be escaping some people is that the BML movement is just a front for another agenda. If you read their website it’s about defunding the police, abolishing capitalism and democracy.
I think it's common knowledge that is part of it... But this thread isn't really about BLM. Nor is Mercedes new paint job or initiative.
So they won't be taking a knee then?

I'll believe that when I see it.
Taking a knee isn't exclusively used as support for the entire BLM agenda - it's often used to simply protest against racial inequality.
It's been appropriated by BLM. Anyone who kneels is tacitly supporting their nonsense; and they'll all be pressured to do it.

This reminds me of the Arab Spring, all the idiots got excited about their brave new world and I knew it would be a disaster from the start.
To be clear, I'm not oblivious to the timing of Mercedes new initiative. But it is important to note that they have distanced themselves by not supporting BLM directly - aspects of which clearly don't fit with Mercedes image or intentions.

Mercedes have made a move that satisfies their need to respond 'somehow' as it seems everyone is expected to respond somehow. They have also no doubt delighted their star driver, ensured endless positive headlines for themselves and as a kicker their car now looks better than ever. And they might even get to the bottom of the question as to why there are not more black people in F1.

They've played their hand very well on this.

TheDeuce

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21,271 posts

65 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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ukaskew said:
TheDeuce said:
Understood and agreed... But that still doesn't explain why black people are apparently less likely to find their way into engineering roles. And I work with engineers all over the world - few are black, no real clue as to why that is the case confused
We've done a lot of unconscious bias research at my workplace and it's remarkable how much that creeps in and just how prevalent it is. If you imagine that all the way through the chain, from school careers advisers to recruitment agencies to interview panels etc, it could be - for example - that people of colour or indeed women are steered away from engineering, motorsport etc in subtle ways without anyone even realising they are doing it. I've no doubt Mercedes will do a deep dive on all of that to get to the bottom of it.

Quite timely but a study was released today showing football commentators are significantly more likely to praise light skinned players for their intelligence, creativity etc, where as dark skinned players are praised for their pace and power.

That sort of thing can be found everywhere. It's not about employing people of colour to make up quotas, it's about finding out why they may be underrepresented in the first place and trying to fix why that might be.
Yes I had a discussing with Mrs Deuce earlier today about unconscious bias etc, it's bound to occur, it's human nature to generalise - that's why the world's most advanced AI can't reliably tell the difference between a large stool or a small coffee table, but we can. I'm sure Mercedes will dig until they find the logic of what is causing certain imbalances, and why, in F1 specifically. They might find that each answer results in a whole new raft of questions to answer however.

Specifically in the example of football commentators, I suppose the question would ultimately be if they have a view/expectation of black players due to incorrect racial stereotyping, or if that subconscious view has developed because statistically black players are indeed more likely to employ speed and power and white players more likely to rely on quick thinking (need the stats on play style in addition to the stats on how commentators relate to have the full equation). The further such questions are pushed, the more likely it is that some interesting answers could result. I think part of the problem is that as a species we currently seek equality in very basic terms.. at some point we may have to accept that the provision of opportunity should be equal, but that the uptake of that opportunity in many cases never will be. Also that there are thousands of generations of breeding and culture behind each racial group and that will result in different concentrations of ability, skill, desire and instinct.

All people should be treated as equal overall. But when trialled in certain jobs or skills, it's surely certain that different groups will prove to have differing levels of ability (statistically overall), or quite simply different levels of inclination.



Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 30th June 00:49