Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
Discussion
vdn said:
He’s definitely insecure, it’s been obvious for many years and also, a little odd.
When he says about the car but ignores the fact that the people he hails also found their way into the best cars, anyone can see he’s being disingenuous.
He also ignores and seemingly underestimates the sheer will to win needed to be so consistent over so many years. Merc engineers have said that Lewis can have had a perfect weekend but will still spend hours analysing the data, looking for perfection. Meanwhile, Max is pissing about on his jet whilst Leclerc and Norris are playing Playstation.
Not to mention having a more reliable car than Bottas, Verstappen, Norris and Leclerc When he says about the car but ignores the fact that the people he hails also found their way into the best cars, anyone can see he’s being disingenuous.
He also ignores and seemingly underestimates the sheer will to win needed to be so consistent over so many years. Merc engineers have said that Lewis can have had a perfect weekend but will still spend hours analysing the data, looking for perfection. Meanwhile, Max is pissing about on his jet whilst Leclerc and Norris are playing Playstation.
Muzzer79 said:
Much as he may be a bitter old fool, one can't deny Stewart's talent. In the early 70's, he really was the man - as you rightly specify.
Clark was clearly a huge talent though and I think it's wrong to lay too much credit at Chapman's feet for that. Clark demonstrated several times that he could win in anything - i.e Touring cars & the Indy 500.
Also JYS went on an unprecedented safety campaign as a driver, for which he became hated. He basically stood his ground and faced off against pretty much *everybody*.Clark was clearly a huge talent though and I think it's wrong to lay too much credit at Chapman's feet for that. Clark demonstrated several times that he could win in anything - i.e Touring cars & the Indy 500.
Of course he proved to be totally correct and every one of us was wrong. Motor racing can be entertaining without a driver dying or being smashed to a pulp for making a tiny error.
vaud said:
Aside from drivers, sponsors wouldn't accept multiple drivers dying in cars with their logos on.
TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
Monster Energy launched their products at the TT.TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
They are now sponsoring Mercedes F1 drivers.
As the world's biggest Road Race event I wouldn't exactly call it niche.
Bigger than the MM and Targa Florio were.
Michael Dunlop et al are exceptional and bravest of the brave.
Aegir said:
Bo_apex said:
vaud said:
Aside from drivers, sponsors wouldn't accept multiple drivers dying in cars with their logos on.
TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
Monster Energy launched their products at the TT.TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
They are now sponsoring Mercedes F1 drivers.
As the world's biggest Road Race event I wouldn't exactly call it niche.
Bigger than the MM and Targa Florio were.
Michael Dunlop et al are exceptional and bravest of the brave.
No-one has made the move from 2 to 4 wheels (F1) in recent years.
It is niche, but a wonderful anachronism that I think should continue.
Their viewing figures and the money involved is nothing like F1. Global sponsors would not tolerate multiple F1 driver deaths in a season.
vaud said:
Aegir said:
Bo_apex said:
vaud said:
Aside from drivers, sponsors wouldn't accept multiple drivers dying in cars with their logos on.
TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
Monster Energy launched their products at the TT.TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
They are now sponsoring Mercedes F1 drivers.
As the world's biggest Road Race event I wouldn't exactly call it niche.
Bigger than the MM and Targa Florio were.
Michael Dunlop et al are exceptional and bravest of the brave.
No-one has made the move from 2 to 4 wheels (F1) in recent years.
It is niche, but a wonderful anachronism that I think should continue.
Their viewing figures and the money involved is nothing like F1. Global sponsors would not tolerate multiple F1 driver deaths in a season.
Aegir said:
Bo_apex said:
vaud said:
Aside from drivers, sponsors wouldn't accept multiple drivers dying in cars with their logos on.
TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
Monster Energy launched their products at the TT.TT is a niche event.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle. which includes reasonable safety measures.
They are now sponsoring Mercedes F1 drivers.
As the world's biggest Road Race event I wouldn't exactly call it niche.
Bigger than the MM and Targa Florio were.
Michael Dunlop et al are exceptional and bravest of the brave.
Unlikely to be repeated
Aegir said:
Bo_apex said:
Incredible achievement
Unlikely to be repeated
Serious competitors in motorsport are channelled at a very young age nowadays onto a specific pathway with a clear goal such as F1 World Champion. This makes it basically impossible for anybody to have cross championship success, not to mention the cost !Unlikely to be repeated
Gary29 said:
C70R said:
Absolutely. The TT is many things, most of them great, but "mainstream" is not one of them.
Exactly, ask 10 random people who John McGuinness is and see the confused looks you get.Bo_apex said:
Gary29 said:
C70R said:
Absolutely. The TT is many things, most of them great, but "mainstream" is not one of them.
Exactly, ask 10 random people who John McGuinness is and see the confused looks you get.RB Will said:
Kind of on topic.
I think the thing that stands out is the number of races and different classes ye olde drivers used to do. 85 different classes for Moss. Looking at Wiki Hamilton with a longer career has only been in about 12? Including various karts
not really a comparable 'sport' back then, though was it ...more of a rich mans past time:I think the thing that stands out is the number of races and different classes ye olde drivers used to do. 85 different classes for Moss. Looking at Wiki Hamilton with a longer career has only been in about 12? Including various karts
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.1950-vs...
At least everyone is managing to avoid the latest social media witterings - between the singing and the 'I'm changing a tyre myself in motorway services with a photographer in tow, on a car that has no spare' it's all getting a bit attention seeking.
Guess the day job is too boring at the moment.
Guess the day job is too boring at the moment.
paulguitar said:
pquinn said:
At least everyone is managing to avoid the latest social media witterings
Not you though. I wouldn’t read something I know was going to annoy me and then go on social media to moan about it.
Strange, he must be trying to kick something off
angrymoby said:
not really a comparable 'sport' back then, though was it ...more of a rich mans past time:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.1950-vs...
This "Documentary" covers it for a different sporting activity. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.1950-vs...
https://www.facebook.com/lfcboston/videos/10153476...
pquinn said:
At least everyone is managing to avoid the latest social media witterings - between the singing and the 'I'm changing a tyre myself in motorway services with a photographer in tow, on a car that has no spare' it's all getting a bit attention seeking.
I had to look it up as I hadn't heard of this, unlike you.What photographer?
pquinn said:
At least everyone is managing to avoid the latest social media witterings - between the singing and the 'I'm changing a tyre myself in motorway services with a photographer in tow, on a car that has no spare' it's all getting a bit attention seeking.
Guess the day job is too boring at the moment.
Odd postGuess the day job is too boring at the moment.
Social media as a concept is "attention seeking" in that you're posting photographs of what you're doing for others to see.
Would you rather he not engage with social media? Or just post pictures of more racing-driver-y things?
If the latter, there's only so many "here's me on a promo event/here's me on a simulator/here's me in the pits" stuff you can do before it all gets a bit repetitive.....
Muzzer79 said:
pquinn said:
At least everyone is managing to avoid the latest social media witterings - between the singing and the 'I'm changing a tyre myself in motorway services with a photographer in tow, on a car that has no spare' it's all getting a bit attention seeking.
Guess the day job is too boring at the moment.
Odd postGuess the day job is too boring at the moment.
Social media as a concept is "attention seeking" in that you're posting photographs of what you're doing for others to see.
Would you rather he not engage with social media? Or just post pictures of more racing-driver-y things?
If the latter, there's only so many "here's me on a promo event/here's me on a simulator/here's me in the pits" stuff you can do before it all gets a bit repetitive.....
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