Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
Discussion
greenarrow said:
Another thing; People always slag off Hamilton when he shows his disappointment after a race and is a bit moody, yet he always says "congratulations" to whoever has beaten him. I thought it was a bit off that Bottas couldn't swallow his disappointment after the race yesterday and offer a "well done" to Hamilton for his 92nd win. In fact I can't remember him giving a "well done" for a long time now.
That's very true, Bottas has turned bitter a bit quicker than Rosberg did. But perhaps that's the only way he can hope to beat Hamilton (assuming Ham will get another DNF on a mechanical of course).Exige77 said:
It’s a staggering Bottas is only paid $1M more than Grosjean. ($8M v $7M).
i would say thats a reflection that Roman was overpayed rather than the other way around. 8 million isnt a bad wedge, and i suspect there are performance bonuses in Bottass contract where as Romans, is a higher base salary becuase the prospect of podiums isnt great!nickfrog said:
greenarrow said:
Another thing; People always slag off Hamilton when he shows his disappointment after a race and is a bit moody, yet he always says "congratulations" to whoever has beaten him. I thought it was a bit off that Bottas couldn't swallow his disappointment after the race yesterday and offer a "well done" to Hamilton for his 92nd win. In fact I can't remember him giving a "well done" for a long time now.
That's very true, Bottas has turned bitter a bit quicker than Rosberg did. But perhaps that's the only way he can hope to beat Hamilton (assuming Ham will get another DNF on a mechanical of course).greenarrow said:
Yes, it was tough on Bottas. He drove really well all weekend and ended up well behind his team-mate. Hamilton this year though has shown new maturity. No longer does it phase him to be overtaken and drop places on lap one. He just bode his time yesterday, saved his tyres and then drove away from Max and Valteri after they had driven too hard early on and blistered theirs.
Another thing; People always slag off Hamilton when he shows his disappointment after a race and is a bit moody, yet he always says "congratulations" to whoever has beaten him. I thought it was a bit off that Bottas couldn't swallow his disappointment after the race yesterday and offer a "well done" to Hamilton for his 92nd win. In fact I can't remember him giving a "well done" for a long time now.
To be fair to Bottas, he wasn't well behind his teammate. He was second. He turned down the wick, he said to husband his engine. Hoping for your teammate's car to go bang is an admission of defeat though. Another thing; People always slag off Hamilton when he shows his disappointment after a race and is a bit moody, yet he always says "congratulations" to whoever has beaten him. I thought it was a bit off that Bottas couldn't swallow his disappointment after the race yesterday and offer a "well done" to Hamilton for his 92nd win. In fact I can't remember him giving a "well done" for a long time now.
I wouldn't criticise him for being slow to praise LH. He's got to get his motivation up. The last race must have been a crippler. He dominated right up until it mattered and then actually got into the lead of the race, only to be passed with ease.
I wondered if he'd been told to let LH past. He pulled to the mucky side of the track early, and went further over than any other driver defending position. He threw up a lot of dust.
Chez Bottas mobile home can't be a fun place this week.
Mind you, he'll give it a good go next weekend. He almost always does. He's like that budgie toy that can be pecked violently but always come back upgright.
Derek Smith said:
...I wondered if he'd been told to let LH past. He pulled to the mucky side of the track early, and went further over than any other driver defending position. He threw up a lot of dust...
I would expect any radio message to that effect would be available online: without a message, no way of advising him to do so - so I don't think so, more that he wasn't planning on making it that pleasant for Hamilton to pass; driving through the cr4p shower he kicked up can't have been fun, but all part of racing.I don’t feel sympathy for Bottas at all. He’s got a fantastic job and is driving the best car, it’s given him the opportunity to make a fortune and win multiple races, something only a handful of drivers manage to do. My sympathies are with drivers like Russell or Albon at the moment, but I think Bottas is one lucky boy.
Hamilton is on another level at the moment, the only drivers who come anywhere near are Max and CLC.
Hamilton is on another level at the moment, the only drivers who come anywhere near are Max and CLC.
Blue62 said:
I don’t feel sympathy for Bottas at all. He’s got a fantastic job and is driving the best car, it’s given him the opportunity to make a fortune and win multiple races, something only a handful of drivers manage to do. My sympathies are with drivers like Russell or Albon at the moment, but I think Bottas is one lucky boy.
I do feel quite sorry for him. Having known a lot of University friends who went on to top level sport (Olympians, pro football and rugby players), psychology in sport is a huge deal.Little is told publicly about how much these guys go through mentally, even in the realms of injury recovery. Bottas, like a number of others on the grid, spent his pre-F1 career winning - that's why he's in a Merc.
He didn't come to F1 with the expectation of being a patsy for a teammate - his family, his engineers and his sports psychologists will be telling him that he can go out and win every weekend. How do you think he copes with the significant mental health ups and downs associated with that journey, particularly when his teammate is one of the all-time greats?
Yet the best level of sympathy that people can offer online is to criticise him, or to call him "broken". Look at the undeserved vitriol that he gets on Twitter and on his own Instagram account. Because he's a sportsman in the public eye, the internet seems to think they have some ownership over him.
Surely, with all of this in mind, he's allowed a small outburst every now and again? And, when reading this, perhaps some might realise Rosberg's motivations for quitting.
Not everyone can be like Kimi, who seems just happy to have something to do on the weekend and get a paycheque. Some of those guys out there are going through it mentally, and the internet isn't a kind place at all.
Blue62 said:
I don’t feel sympathy for Bottas at all. He’s got a fantastic job and is driving the best car, it’s given him the opportunity to make a fortune and win multiple races, something only a handful of drivers manage to do. My sympathies are with drivers like Russell or Albon at the moment, but I think Bottas is one lucky boy.
+1Bottas got the job because of his Toto management.
Someone fast like Sainz or Ricciardo could have got the seat otherwise.
P2 in the WDC is fair enough for Bottas though.
Anyone in the public eye is subjected to some disgusting behaviour on social media these days, there’s a certain type who allow all their own frustrations and shortcomings to let rip and on that score Bottas would have my sympathy, as would any other victim.
But we are talking about the fact that he is playing second fiddle to one of the best drivers of all time, it’s up to him and his entourage to deal with that. I doubt he’d want sympathy even if it were forthcoming, the fact is he isn’t quick or good enough and would probably still be second if CLC or Max were his teammates.
But we are talking about the fact that he is playing second fiddle to one of the best drivers of all time, it’s up to him and his entourage to deal with that. I doubt he’d want sympathy even if it were forthcoming, the fact is he isn’t quick or good enough and would probably still be second if CLC or Max were his teammates.
Blue62 said:
Anyone in the public eye is subjected to some disgusting behaviour on social media these days, there’s a certain type who allow all their own frustrations and shortcomings to let rip and on that score Bottas would have my sympathy, as would any other victim.
But we are talking about the fact that he is playing second fiddle to one of the best drivers of all time, it’s up to him and his entourage to deal with that. I doubt he’d want sympathy even if it were forthcoming, the fact is he isn’t quick or good enough and would probably still be second if CLC or Max were his teammates.
I don't think it's about wanting sympathy, per se. But a bit of credit for being the second-best guy out there most weekends wouldn't go amiss.But we are talking about the fact that he is playing second fiddle to one of the best drivers of all time, it’s up to him and his entourage to deal with that. I doubt he’d want sympathy even if it were forthcoming, the fact is he isn’t quick or good enough and would probably still be second if CLC or Max were his teammates.
The criticism he gets is horrid and unwarranted.
C70R said:
I don't think it's about wanting sympathy, per se. But a bit of credit for being the second-best guy out there most weekends wouldn't go amiss.
The criticism he gets is horrid and unwarranted.
I was responding to the comments from those sympathising with him, I’m genuinely not aware of any ‘horrid’ criticism, but Im sure it’s out there as it is with all public figures these days. I don’t think he’s second best, but that’s irrelevant in the context of this thread. The criticism he gets is horrid and unwarranted.
Now that Hamilton has beaten the win record and is seemingly marching on to a 7th title, there are calls again for him to be knighted
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That really would tip some people over the edge.
I have a 50% feeling that he might turn it down for political reasons. It entirely wouldn't surprise me.
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That really would tip some people over the edge.
I have a 50% feeling that he might turn it down for political reasons. It entirely wouldn't surprise me.
Bo_apex said:
Blue62 said:
I don’t feel sympathy for Bottas at all. He’s got a fantastic job and is driving the best car, it’s given him the opportunity to make a fortune and win multiple races, something only a handful of drivers manage to do. My sympathies are with drivers like Russell or Albon at the moment, but I think Bottas is one lucky boy.
+1Bottas got the job because of his Toto management.
Someone fast like Sainz or Ricciardo could have got the seat otherwise.
P2 in the WDC is fair enough for Bottas though.
Of course we fans would love to see teams going at each other, drama, fallings out going on before our very eyes but teams don’t want that. Why would they.
Horner didn’t want Lewis in the team in Vettel was there. He’d already been to that puppet show with Webber & Vettel, saw the strings and didn’t fancy that again.
Interestingly Max was offered the seat alongside Lewis and Jos advised he turn it down!
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/1885/lauda-reve...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/1729651/red...
Blue62 said:
C70R said:
I don't think it's about wanting sympathy, per se. But a bit of credit for being the second-best guy out there most weekends wouldn't go amiss.
The criticism he gets is horrid and unwarranted.
I was responding to the comments from those sympathising with him, I’m genuinely not aware of any ‘horrid’ criticism, but Im sure it’s out there as it is with all public figures these days. I don’t think he’s second best, but that’s irrelevant in the context of this thread. The criticism he gets is horrid and unwarranted.
C70R said:
It might be irrelevant, but Bottas is sitting in second place in the WDC. As the only objective yardstick, that makes him the second best guy out there most weekends.
Of the top 7 teams he is the only one managing that. Although there is a fair bit of daylight between him and Lewis. HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
Blue62 said:
I don’t feel sympathy for Bottas at all. He’s got a fantastic job and is driving the best car, it’s given him the opportunity to make a fortune and win multiple races, something only a handful of drivers manage to do. My sympathies are with drivers like Russell or Albon at the moment, but I think Bottas is one lucky boy.
+1Bottas got the job because of his Toto management.
Someone fast like Sainz or Ricciardo could have got the seat otherwise.
P2 in the WDC is fair enough for Bottas though.
Of course we fans would love to see teams going at each other, drama, fallings out going on before our very eyes but teams don’t want that. Why would they.
Horner didn’t want Lewis in the team in Vettel was there. He’d already been to that puppet show with Webber & Vettel, saw the strings and didn’t fancy that again.
Interestingly Max was offered the seat alongside Lewis and Jos advised he turn it down!
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/1885/lauda-reve...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/1729651/red...
Max was too young and punk for corporate Mercedes.
Probably still a bit too young and he's still evolving
C70R said:
It might be irrelevant, but Bottas is sitting in second place in the WDC. As the only objective yardstick, that makes him the second best guy out there most weekends.
I would agree that he’s the second best driver in the Mercedes team, he seems a decent bloke and he’s a very good driver, but he’s not the second best on the grid. There is no objective yardstick in F1, if it were there’d be no argument about who the GOAT is! It’s all a bit of fun until it turns nasty, which is where I’m in total agreement with you.
I'd rather be 2ns best driver at Merc picking up odd wins and competing at the front over the best driver at Williams, Alfa etc and fighting at the bottom or mid pack. I'd imagine all the other drivers would love to have his seat and opportunity. So yes, I feel for him that he's up against Lewis but other than that, no.
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