Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

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Clockwork Cupcake

70,449 posts

253 months

Tuesday 20th September
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paulguitar said:
I don't think Senna was intending to be violent, he just found Irvine's attitude insufferable.
In fairness, Irvine was a cocky young gun. Plus Senna was of the opinion that Irvine should 'show some respect' and kowtow to him, and Irvine was the kind of person who would laugh in the face of such an idea. And, indeed, did. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that Irvine told Senna to fk off to his face, and that was the reason for Senna throwing a punch.


Siao

492 posts

21 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Bo_apex said:
Siao said:
They had already shifted focus to the 2000 car if I remember correctly. But no one would have guessed that Macca would have dropped the ball enough to put Ferrari back into contention. Mika had Irvine mostly beaten when both finished, but he binned it from the lead in Italy, had a tyre failure in Germany and had Irvine being gifted two wins by his team mates. The difference between the two drivers was stark: Mika had 5 retirements that year to Eddie's 1 and he still won the WDC. Eddie needed a lot of help/luck to make it where he ended.

Having said that, he was not a bad driver at all. I'd class him as a Rubens/Webber/Ralf/DC level; he could win on his day, but these days didn't come often enough to mount a continuous WDC challenge.
Italy looked painful for Mika.
I think Irvine had similar tenacity to Webber.
Senna was picky in who he punched
He did a Vettel Germany '18...

Siao

492 posts

21 months

Tuesday 20th September
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paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
Senna was picky in who he punched
I don't think Senna was intending to be violent, he just found Irvine's attitude insufferable.
Senna did the same with Schumacher (not the punching bit though); whenever he felt threatened by a young pretender, he took them to the side for a "chat" to remind them who's the boss and how they should respect him, bring them down a peg. Intimidation 101. I imagine that Irvine being Irvine was a cocky little bast*rd and got a shiner...

angrymoby

1,955 posts

159 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Siao said:
Senna did the same with Schumacher (not the punching bit though); whenever he felt threatened by a young pretender, he took them to the side for a "chat" to remind them who's the boss and how they should respect him, bring them down a peg. Intimidation 101. I imagine that Irvine being Irvine was a cocky little bast*rd and got a shiner...
Senna had every right to castigate Irvine at Suzuka ...Irvine showed zero respect for protocol, was dangerously all over the place in his attempt to overtake Hill ...& then topped it off afterwards with ignorance & cockyness, no one should get punched in a verbal altercation- but Irvine was about as close as you can get to making it a justifiable reaction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZvQZC6RWQ
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...

& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him


Clockwork Cupcake

70,449 posts

253 months

Tuesday 20th September
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Siao said:
whenever he felt threatened by a young pretender, he took them to the side for a "chat" to remind them who's the boss and how they should respect him, bring them down a peg. Intimidation 101. I imagine that Irvine being Irvine was a cocky little bast*rd and got a shiner...
Is there an echo in here? I said pretty much the same thing a few posts back. biggrin

HighwayStar

3,714 posts

125 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...

heebeegeetee

27,897 posts

229 months

Thursday 22nd September
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angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?

The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice. smile

heebeegeetee

27,897 posts

229 months

Thursday 22nd September
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HighwayStar said:
Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
Funnily enough, I noticed the same thing t'other way round in an interview with Max recently can't recall the exact circs right now, Lewis had featured in the race (was it Dutch, I'll have to check Youtube smile ), I just recall watching it and thinking "he's not going to mention Lewis by name" and he didn't.

deadslow

7,405 posts

204 months

Thursday 22nd September
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HighwayStar said:
Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
honestly, no-one moans, whines and stirs more than Mercedes Big Shot Toto.

HustleRussell

22,131 posts

141 months

Thursday 22nd September
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I listened to most of that Beyond the Grid podcast this morning (the one which all of these Horner quotes are coming from). Unfortunately he is exactly as you’d expect 2022 Christian Horner to be.

He said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.

Muzzer79

6,871 posts

168 months

Thursday 22nd September
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HustleRussell said:
I listened to most of that Beyond the Grid podcast this morning (the one which all of these Horner quotes are coming from). Unfortunately he is exactly as you’d expect 2022 Christian Horner to be.

He said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
I'm trying to remember the point at which he turned into a monumental bell end......I don't recall him being this bad even in the Vettel-era

Dr Interceptor

7,035 posts

177 months

Thursday 22nd September
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heebeegeetee said:
angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?

The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice. smile
I'd imagine it would have done back then too... if there had been an internet.

heebeegeetee

27,897 posts

229 months

Thursday 22nd September
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HighwayStar said:
Whinger Spice just can’t stop moaning and stirring… Lewis isn’t bigging up his boy! I doubt Max craves it or has given it any thought.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
Funnily enough, I noticed the same thing t'other way round in an interview with Max recently can't recall the exact circs right now, Lewis had featured in the race (was it Dutch, I'll have to check Youtube smile ), I just recall watching it and thinking "he's not going to mention Lewis by name" and he didn't.

This wasn't the interview I saw, and i haven't watched all of it, but yeah, it seems he can't mention Lewis by name. https://youtu.be/AjzEBLf4oWU

deadslow said:
honestly, no-one moans, whines and stirs more than Mercedes Big Shot Toto.
I do know that after Monza last year, Toto didn't go on and on and on and on and on about thank god a driver wasn't hurt or worse etc, and funnily enough neither did Christian that time, considering how much he did at Silverstone.

I have to disagree with you about Toto, I think Christian has gone really toxic, we've really gone off him and it spoils our enjoyment of watching Max race.

Deesee

6,096 posts

64 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Muzzer79 said:
HustleRussell said:
I listened to most of that Beyond the Grid podcast this morning (the one which all of these Horner quotes are coming from). Unfortunately he is exactly as you’d expect 2022 Christian Horner to be.

He said some things which were disingenuous, and the things he said which weren’t disingenuous were heavily loaded.
I'm trying to remember the point at which he turned into a monumental bell end......I don't recall him being this bad even in the Vettel-era
When he was cast as the heel in DTS..

Siao

492 posts

21 months

Thursday 22nd September
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angrymoby said:
Siao said:
Senna did the same with Schumacher (not the punching bit though); whenever he felt threatened by a young pretender, he took them to the side for a "chat" to remind them who's the boss and how they should respect him, bring them down a peg. Intimidation 101. I imagine that Irvine being Irvine was a cocky little bast*rd and got a shiner...
Senna had every right to castigate Irvine at Suzuka ...Irvine showed zero respect for protocol, was dangerously all over the place in his attempt to overtake Hill ...& then topped it off afterwards with ignorance & cockyness, no one should get punched in a verbal altercation- but Irvine was about as close as you can get to making it a justifiable reaction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZvQZC6RWQ
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single...

& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Being all over the place in his overtake attempt on Hill has no bearing in the Senna incident. I am not sure about the protocol for unlapping, we've seen other cars unlapping themselves.

And the French GP was a first lap incident, hardly something that he needed to take him on the side to swear at him. Not very politely either. If we had a bust up every time we had a first lap incident...

Siao

492 posts

21 months

Thursday 22nd September
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heebeegeetee said:
angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?

The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice. smile
Well Max did it and the internet didn't exactly melt, sooooo...

paulguitar

17,139 posts

94 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Siao said:
heebeegeetee said:
angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?

The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice. smile
Well Max did it and the internet didn't exactly melt, sooooo...
I don't remember a similar incident involving Verstappen being taken out and then having a word with the other driver, on the grid, in his civvies. Which one are you thinking of?




heebeegeetee

27,897 posts

229 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Siao said:
Well Max did it and the internet didn't exactly melt, sooooo...
Max isn't Lewis. I've never seen a driver attract as much comment as Lewis, from the moment he entered F1, and I don't think I've seen a driver whereby every aspect of his life is commented on so much.

I mean, perhaps Jackie Stewart, I can recall the criticism over what he wore and how long his hair was, and then definitely his safety campaign, but of course there was no internet back then.

Siao

492 posts

21 months

Thursday 22nd September
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paulguitar said:
Siao said:
heebeegeetee said:
angrymoby said:
& Senna also had every right to give Schumacher a talking to ...quite polite considering he'd just been punted out of the French Grand prix by him
Can you imagine Lewis doing the same thing, I mean seriously, can you imagine it?

The words internet and meltdown don't do it justice. smile
Well Max did it and the internet didn't exactly melt, sooooo...
I don't remember a similar incident involving Verstappen being taken out and then having a word with the other driver, on the grid, in his civvies. Which one are you thinking of?
Didn't he go and push Ocon after he tried to unlap himself and their cars touched?

vdn

8,748 posts

184 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Horner has the integrity of a dung beetle.