Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Muzzer79 said:
What's been wrong with this set of rules?
IMO, the only issue F1 has with rules is that it keeps changing them just as the field equalises in performance, thereby creating domination for whoever gets the rules right in the next era for (x) years......
See Red Bull, Mercedes, Red Bull prior to that, Ferrari, etc, etc.....
spray in the wet seems worse, two years of racing ruined by bouncing, dirty air has returned, too large/heavy, floor critical for performance but vulnerable to damageIMO, the only issue F1 has with rules is that it keeps changing them just as the field equalises in performance, thereby creating domination for whoever gets the rules right in the next era for (x) years......
See Red Bull, Mercedes, Red Bull prior to that, Ferrari, etc, etc.....
Muzzer79 said:
What's been wrong with this set of rules?
....
plenty.....
far too much aero dependence albeit in a different form to pre ground effect. raise the bloody cars by a few cm and change the balance of grip back a bit towards mechanical than aero so the drivers can drive the damn cars harder for longer without the tyres falling apart. the point would be to see the cars performing (much) nearer what they could be capable of for longer during the race rather than dinking around way off their ultimate PP pace 'managing' tyres even if absolute lap times increased.
ground effect solved one issue of following closely but it introduced a whole host of other problems so there wasn't obviously any net improvement in what it was meant to deliver - which was supposedly better racing.
What would be our ideal F1 rules set?
I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
paulguitar said:
What would be our ideal F1 rules set?
I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
I want to see smaller, lighter cars.I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
Do away with the hybrid and run on sustainable fuel
Manual gearboxes - no. I think going backwards is a bad idea.
Aero is the biggest hurdle. Pre-ground effect, it was all about dirty air and being unable to follow the car in front. I'm not sure there is an aero solution that allows cars to follow and overtake without a car performance delta that's very large. Not without returning to the 60s, which I don't want.
I still maintain that I'd ban pit-to-car communications of any sort - radio, telemetry, the works - unless its a safety issue or it's mechanically critical - i.e your engine will blow in 10 seconds. Make the drivers discover the art of managing the car, not have a computer do it for them.
Muzzer79 said:
I still maintain that I'd ban pit-to-car communications of any sort - radio, telemetry, the works - unless its a safety issue or it's mechanically critical - i.e your engine will blow in 10 seconds. Make the drivers discover the art of managing the car, not have a computer do it for them.
They did that though for a while, and it was rubbish. It's a necessity of having such complex cars now. I'm not against the idea, but I think we'd need to remove a huge amount of electronic gubbins that the drivers need to manage (which is I think the point you're getting at).
So, they basically remove the entire steering wheel and replace it with a three spoke job and crack in with the settings as they leave the pit
They are lumbered with having to always be the pinnacle. So apart from downgrading every other class of racing we are stuck with this.
Skinny tyres and little wings would make it very entertaining. But its like the bozo in the hatchback with his overfat tyres. The car drives s
t but it looks good lol.
Skinny tyres and little wings would make it very entertaining. But its like the bozo in the hatchback with his overfat tyres. The car drives s
t but it looks good lol.I wish they’d do something which’d make the cars look alive, even if they slowed them down a lot. Watching Nando hustle that Renault around Abu Dhabi a couple of years ago made me realise what we have lost in subsequent eras. So size, weight and tyres. Yes, I know Nando was on Pirellis. But he wasn’t managing! And the drivers used to have the cars moving around on Bridgestones.
Chicken_Satay said:
rallycross said:
This makes sense, this year has been a write off for him difficult car and new team that operates in its own strange way, if they make a good car next year I'd expect to see him doing well v's his team mate.
Why was Russell mostly outperforming Hamilton at Mercedes then?Given how close the 2 drivers are at Ferrari in terms of lap times, yes, he is doing pretty well.
paulguitar said:
What would be our ideal F1 rules set?
I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
Set a restriction on length / width and then after that anything goes. I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
F1 is meant to be the peak of engineering and we don't get some of the wacky stuff we used to see pre-2000. Sadly it won't happen due to the safety aspect.
g4ry13 said:
Set a restriction on length / width and then after that anything goes.
F1 is meant to be the peak of engineering and we don't get some of the wacky stuff we used to see pre-2000. Sadly it won't happen due to the safety aspect.
Im all for this idea, tear up the rule book, abit like they have done in wec, do what you like as long as it has x power, xdownforce etc, it lets the engineers loose like in the old days, lets see some crazy ideas againF1 is meant to be the peak of engineering and we don't get some of the wacky stuff we used to see pre-2000. Sadly it won't happen due to the safety aspect.
Muzzer79 said:
paulguitar said:
What would be our ideal F1 rules set?
I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
I want to see smaller, lighter cars.I'd like to see much smaller, much lighter, naturally aspirated cars. Happy with V10 or V12, or even V8 engines.
No hybrid stuff to drag around. Manual gearboxes might be fun. Significantly less downforce and no ground effect.
I want to see glowing brake discs again.
Do away with the hybrid and run on sustainable fuel
Manual gearboxes - no. I think going backwards is a bad idea.
Aero is the biggest hurdle. Pre-ground effect, it was all about dirty air and being unable to follow the car in front. I'm not sure there is an aero solution that allows cars to follow and overtake without a car performance delta that's very large. Not without returning to the 60s, which I don't want.
I still maintain that I'd ban pit-to-car communications of any sort - radio, telemetry, the works - unless its a safety issue or it's mechanically critical - i.e your engine will blow in 10 seconds. Make the drivers discover the art of managing the car, not have a computer do it for them.
Essentially increasing the variables, especially to place even more on the driver. Limited steering wheel functionality.
Obviously aero is a tough one as the aero teams are so good at recovering downforce.
Would need to have it cascade down to F2, etc to ensure that F1 remains the fastest and most challenging.
MustangGT said:
RB Will said:
Oh well done. Now compare the points using the same number of races and the same scoring system. How about using the 2025 system and working out an average per race or similar?And against a 2xwdc in the same car.
No comparison.
SmoothCriminal said:
MustangGT said:
RB Will said:
Oh well done. Now compare the points using the same number of races and the same scoring system. How about using the 2025 system and working out an average per race or similar?And against a 2xwdc in the same car.
No comparison.
Thinking back to that does make me think he's past his best now. Back then, if he had a working car, whatever was going on, he was pretty much always doing something special.
paulguitar said:
Thinking back to that does make me think he's past his best now. Back then, if he had a working car, whatever was going on, he was pretty much always doing something special.
I'm inclined to agree.If we're honest, apart from some flashes of brilliance, he's not been the same since 2021.
Car performance has had a lot to do with that and it's clear that he doesn't get on with this generation of car.
I hope that he gels with the Ferrari in 2026 so can go out on a high. If there's one thing about Lewis' career it's that he's always had the highest of highs and lowest of lows. If it can happen, it's happened to him.
I therefore wouldn't rule anything out for 2026.
paulguitar said:
Thinking back to that does make me think he's past his best now. Back then, if he had a working car, whatever was going on, he was pretty much always doing something special.
I don't think that's really true. He's gone to sleep a little before, and he turns it on again when he gets a sniff of a potential result. I'm hoping he still has that in him, but at the moment it looks like the Ferrari environment is stifling him, as it has so many others. Hustle_ said:
paulguitar said:
Thinking back to that does make me think he's past his best now. Back then, if he had a working car, whatever was going on, he was pretty much always doing something special.
I don't think that's really true. He's gone to sleep a little before, and he turns it on again when he gets a sniff of a potential result. I'm hoping he still has that in him, but at the moment it looks like the Ferrari environment is stifling him, as it has so many others. I think 6 or 7 team principals in the same time.
Perhaps Mr Elkann should better consider where the problem really lies within the organisation, to which M.Vasseur may have obliquely referred in the recent past.
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