Hulkenberg. Wow.

Hulkenberg. Wow.

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thegreenhell

7,658 posts

177 months

Monday 10th August
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ash73 said:
He might have needed to stop, but putting him on softs made no sense.
I wasn't following the tyre allocation/usage, but maybe it was the only new set of tyres he had left by that point. Either way, it was only a short stint needed at the end of the race, and the specific compound didn't hurt him more or less than any other by then. It was just a set of tyres to get him to the end.

ash73

19,260 posts

179 months

Monday 10th August
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thegreenhell said:
ash73 said:
He might have needed to stop, but putting him on softs made no sense.
I wasn't following the tyre allocation/usage, but maybe it was the only new set of tyres he had left by that point. Either way, it was only a short stint needed at the end of the race, and the specific compound didn't hurt him more or less than any other by then. It was just a set of tyres to get him to the end.
They couldn't even get a single quali lap out of it.

thegreenhell

7,658 posts

177 months

Monday 10th August
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And yet they managed the last eight laps of the race. He wasn't trying to push qually pace in the race, he was just nursing them to the end, and if they were all he had available at that point then they did the job he needed of them. He didn't lose anything on track because of it.

Exige77

5,421 posts

149 months

Monday 10th August
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He’s been out for a while and did an excellent Job straight out of the box.

It will be a shame if he can’t find a drive for next year.

Surely better than Grosjean ?



cuprabob

9,191 posts

172 months

Monday 10th August
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Exige77 said:
He’s been out for a while and did an excellent Job straight out of the box.
Agreed he done an excellent job considering the short notice.

When you think about it, he's not actually been out of an F1 car much longer than the other drivers due to the delayed season start.

kambites

60,073 posts

179 months

Monday 10th August
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Zarco said:
Anyone shed any light on this? Wouldn't surprise me but I'm obviously not privy to the state of his tires at that stage in the race.
Hulkenberg stopped on lap 32 for hards, Stroll stopped one lap later, also for hards. They pitted Hulkenberg in on lap 44 for softs, Stroll ran to the end on his hards. To give an idea of what the tyres were capable of, Ocon pitted for hards on lap 22, Leclerc on lap 18 and both ran to the end.

There was certainly no reason in terms of wear to change Hulkenberg's tyres when they did. The question will be whether there was something wrong with them (flat spot, slow puncture, etc). In terms of which tyres they fitted, I suspect the softs were the only ones they had left. I don't think he really lost out through being on the softs, it was the pitstop itself which cost him two places.

Edited by kambites on Monday 10th August 19:05

MitchT

13,201 posts

167 months

Monday 10th August
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Exige77 said:
Surely better than Grosjean ?
You can't even compare the two, but Grosjean brings sponsor money and sadly money speaks louder than ability.

StevieBee

9,084 posts

213 months

Monday 10th August
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MitchT said:
Exige77 said:
Surely better than Grosjean ?
You can't even compare the two, but Grosjean brings sponsor money and sadly money speaks louder than ability.
What sponsors does he bring to the team? I didn't think they did that at Hass!


sgtBerbatov

2,299 posts

39 months

Monday 10th August
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What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?

He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.

So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Zarco

13,479 posts

167 months

Monday 10th August
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sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?

He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.

So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I think it might be because he suddenly got an unexpected go in a car he'd never driven, and out qualified everyone except the Mercedes drivers.

I hear you that he never managed to do anything special the rest of the time he was in F1. Some of that did appear rotten luck from what I vaguely recall.

HustleRussell

18,466 posts

118 months

Monday 10th August
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Hulkenberg had options to stay on the grid but he had a salary expectation which was higher than the available seats paid.

It would be interesting to see if he is now willing to take a slight knock on the pay for the love of it. I agree with this thread, he is a proper driver, probably a match for half of the grid.

StevieBee

9,084 posts

213 months

Monday 10th August
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sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?

He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.

So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
There's a saying that you make your own luck which by and large, holds true 99% of the time. Hulkenberg is the 1%.





MikeyC

836 posts

185 months

Tuesday 11th August
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HustleRussell said:
Hulkenberg had options to stay on the grid but he had a salary expectation which was higher than the available seats paid.

It would be interesting to see if he is now willing to take a slight knock on the pay for the love of it. I agree with this thread, he is a proper driver, probably a match for half of the grid.
Agree
My criticism of him would be that he has a tendancy to under-perform on Sundays
His qualifying has been pretty good against most team-mates with only BARichello (his 1st year) and RIC bettering him

I hope he gets another go, but preferably not with Haas (!) as he would almost certainly be at the tail end with a difficult car....

Muzzer79

3,775 posts

145 months

Tuesday 11th August
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StevieBee said:
sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?

He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.

So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
There's a saying that you make your own luck which by and large, holds true 99% of the time. Hulkenberg is the 1%.
Granted, I don't follow his career hugely closely, but I can't think of an occasion where he's been on for a podium, but lost it due to bad luck.

He's just never been in the running. He's only finished 4th three times in the 9 full seasons that he raced.

He's fast over a single lap and last weekend was a good story. If I needed a reserve or possibly a test driver, he'd be on my list and I suspect he's better than some others on the grid towards the tail end.

But he is not some great overlooked talent that just never had the opportunities or lost them due to bad luck.

Cold, hard truth is that he's just not quick enough.

rdjohn

4,391 posts

153 months

Tuesday 11th August
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When he was interviewed after the race, Nico did say that his tyres were shot - perhaps he did not look after them?

He is Mr Niceguy, but without a Telmex paying for his drive, he will still have nowhere to go.

I can’t see Seb getting the Perez seat either, unless he will drive for $zero and bring in more sponsorship than Checo.

RP’s kitty is already €400,000 short for next year, and points mean prizes.

MikeyC

836 posts

185 months

Tuesday 11th August
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rdjohn said:
When he was interviewed after the race, Nico did say that his tyres were shot - perhaps he did not look after them?
Looking at his lap times for his stints on racefans, it looks to me that his 2nd stint on the hard was going reasonably well (laps 27+), actually closing gap to the leader (when his team-mate wasn't) but then promptly pitted after only 15 laps.
If he'd extended that stint, he probably wouldn't have needed the extra stop
Maybe they were shot, but seems a bit odd to me

Edited by MikeyC on Tuesday 11th August 09:37

Muzzer79

3,775 posts

145 months

Tuesday 11th August
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rdjohn said:
When he was interviewed after the race, Nico did say that his tyres were shot - perhaps he did not look after them?

He is Mr Niceguy, but without a Telmex paying for his drive, he will still have nowhere to go.

I can’t see Seb getting the Perez seat either, unless he will drive for $zero and bring in more sponsorship than Checo.

RP’s kitty is already €400,000 short for next year, and points mean prizes.
I think that Lawrence Stroll can afford to cover the €400k......just about.

The Vettel deal is apparently done - they're just timing it so they don't look too callous with the Perez/COVID situation.

sgtBerbatov

2,299 posts

39 months

Tuesday 11th August
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Muzzer79 said:
StevieBee said:
sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?

He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.

So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
There's a saying that you make your own luck which by and large, holds true 99% of the time. Hulkenberg is the 1%.
Granted, I don't follow his career hugely closely, but I can't think of an occasion where he's been on for a podium, but lost it due to bad luck.

He's just never been in the running. He's only finished 4th three times in the 9 full seasons that he raced.

He's fast over a single lap and last weekend was a good story. If I needed a reserve or possibly a test driver, he'd be on my list and I suspect he's better than some others on the grid towards the tail end.

But he is not some great overlooked talent that just never had the opportunities or lost them due to bad luck.

Cold, hard truth is that he's just not quick enough.
Exactly.

And they talk about the pole he got with Williams. They forget though that the qualifying format was different then. The other drivers had gone out on a wet track that was drying. When he got to go out, he stuck some dry tyres on and got the pole. He was the last car out as well.

ajprice

18,827 posts

154 months

Tuesday 11th August
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hehe

If there are alternate universes, I hope that's true in one of them.

NAS

2,429 posts

189 months

Tuesday 11th August
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Muzzer79 said:
Cold, hard truth is that he's just not quick enough.
He did win plenty of championships /key races though, when he had a competitive car. A1GP, F3, GP2, Le Mans etc.

What I'm saying is : I disagree. smile