Hulkenberg. Wow.
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Muzzer79 said:
Ahonen said:
Muzzer79 said:
We’re not talking about GP2 or F3 or Le Mans. We’re talking about F1 and he wasn’t quick enough in it.
Plenty of drivers were quick in GP2 but couldn’t cut it in F1.
Davide Valsecchi, Giorgio Pantano & Jolyon Palmer to name but three.
I'll weigh in here because I worked with Hulk a few years ago. He's bloody brilliant, frankly, and his level of feedback is the best I've ever experienced. No question. The comparison with Checo is interesting because for my money Perez is far better than he's ever been given credit for and was always suberb at managing the tyres - but in '14 there was quite a large points gap between them.Plenty of drivers were quick in GP2 but couldn’t cut it in F1.
Davide Valsecchi, Giorgio Pantano & Jolyon Palmer to name but three.
Don't even think about comparing Hulk with the likes of Valsecchi or Palmer: they won GP2 because they were basically career GP2 drivers with multiple years behind them who won on experience. Hulk slaughtered the field at his first attempt. Oh and he slaughtered Palmer at Renault in '17 to boot.
He was permanently in the wrong place when it came to driver contracts and timings and had no money to grease any palms.
Given that he "wasn't quick enough" for F1 in your eyes it's especially notable that in 2018 he out-qualified and out-scored the new for 2021 Ferrari driver when they were together at Renault. So by your reckoning Sainz definitely isn't quick enough for F1 either. I think you'd better get on the blower to Red Bull, McLaren, Renault and Ferrari to tell them.
Anyway, great - If he's that good I'm glad he's secured a seat for next year. Oh, wait.......
If he was fast enough he'd still be in F1. He couldn't cut it, so he's out.
There is no consipiracy, no miscarriage of justice. It's a results based business.
This is what F1 looks like going into 2021
Lance Stroll - son of a billionaire
Mick Schumacher - son of a billionaire* and very well connected.
Nikita Mazepin - son of a billionaire
Latifi - son of a billionaire.
Albon - pretty sure his old man is loaded
Norris - ditto
That's 30% of the grid.
Williams were desperate enough to have semi-disabled Robert Kubica in their team because he brought more money than Sirotkin the year before.
F1 is all about nepotism and money. Always has been.
Schermerhorn said:
F1 is not about talent anymore. It's about who brings the most money so the team can keep their lights on and can pay their leccy bills.
This is what F1 looks like going into 2021
Lance Stroll - son of a billionaire
Mick Schumacher - son of a billionaire* and very well connected.
Nikita Mazepin - son of a billionaire
Latifi - son of a billionaire.
Albon - pretty sure his old man is loaded
Norris - ditto
That's 30% of the grid.
Williams were desperate enough to have semi-disabled Robert Kubica in their team because he brought more money than Sirotkin the year before.
F1 is all about nepotism and money. Always has been.
Schumacher isn't a billionaire.....This is what F1 looks like going into 2021
Lance Stroll - son of a billionaire
Mick Schumacher - son of a billionaire* and very well connected.
Nikita Mazepin - son of a billionaire
Latifi - son of a billionaire.
Albon - pretty sure his old man is loaded
Norris - ditto
That's 30% of the grid.
Williams were desperate enough to have semi-disabled Robert Kubica in their team because he brought more money than Sirotkin the year before.
F1 is all about nepotism and money. Always has been.
Lando's Dad is worth about £150m. Sounds a lot but isn't in terms of F1.
I don't think Albon's Dad is mega wealthy but could be wrong.
So Latifi, Mazepin and Stroll.......
faa77 said:
Schermerhorn said:
F1 is not about talent anymore. It's about who brings the most money so the team can keep their lights on and can pay their leccy bills.
This is what F1 looks like going into 2021
Lance Stroll - son of a billionaire
Mick Schumacher - son of a billionaire* and very well connected.
Nikita Mazepin - son of a billionaire
Latifi - son of a billionaire.
Albon - pretty sure his old man is loaded
Norris - ditto
That's 30% of the grid.
Williams were desperate enough to have semi-disabled Robert Kubica in their team because he brought more money than Sirotkin the year before.
F1 is all about nepotism and money. Always has been.
Schumacher isn't a billionaire.....This is what F1 looks like going into 2021
Lance Stroll - son of a billionaire
Mick Schumacher - son of a billionaire* and very well connected.
Nikita Mazepin - son of a billionaire
Latifi - son of a billionaire.
Albon - pretty sure his old man is loaded
Norris - ditto
That's 30% of the grid.
Williams were desperate enough to have semi-disabled Robert Kubica in their team because he brought more money than Sirotkin the year before.
F1 is all about nepotism and money. Always has been.
Lando's Dad is worth about £150m. Sounds a lot but isn't in terms of F1.
I don't think Albon's Dad is mega wealthy but could be wrong.
So Latifi, Mazepin and Stroll.......
You dont suppose his bank balance in his Swiss bank balance has been accumulating 1-2% interest annually? I doubt he was p*ssing his money away like Floyd Mayweather in strip clubs....
Point is....there a new generation of ultra wealthy kids on the block and they could be utterly hopeless journeymen but be able to finance 10-15 year careers while more talented, more deserving kids will end up missing out.
ts/puking/both?Ardennes92 said:
He only had a test when he went home, why not at the circuit, apparently team didn’t have him tested because he only had some mild symptoms!!
He'd been tested on the way in to the circuit, obviously progressed to a state at which it would register positive between the two tests.Also they're using the rapid tests which are not 100%
TheDeuce said:
Ardennes92 said:
He only had a test when he went home, why not at the circuit, apparently team didn’t have him tested because he only had some mild symptoms!!
He'd been tested on the way in to the circuit, obviously progressed to a state at which it would register positive between the two tests.Also they're using the rapid tests which are not 100%
See Stroll Snr is also positive.
Ardennes92 said:
TheDeuce said:
Ardennes92 said:
He only had a test when he went home, why not at the circuit, apparently team didn’t have him tested because he only had some mild symptoms!!
He'd been tested on the way in to the circuit, obviously progressed to a state at which it would register positive between the two tests.Also they're using the rapid tests which are not 100%
See Stroll Snr is also positive.
I can't see why they'd try and cheat that requirement as it's in their own interests as a team to detect and isolate ahead of it spreading to other key people.
It would be interesting to see how Hulk managed in that team/car given that two previously decent drivers have fallen to pieces and both Kvyat and Gasly seemed to improve on their return to Torro Rosso. Albon at least started well.
I'd rather see him with another team, but it's probably his best chance of a podium unless Honda stop delivering.
I'd rather see him with another team, but it's probably his best chance of a podium unless Honda stop delivering.
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