Croft has to go

Croft has to go

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cgt2

7,100 posts

188 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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These guys are so silly including Jenson.

You expect it from Croft but for the thousandth time- to move aside Checo has to be in front of Max! Something he has never achieved. This is real desperate commentary

Red9zero

6,850 posts

57 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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cgt2 said:
These guys are so silly including Jenson.

You expect it from Croft but for the thousandth time- to move aside Checo has to be in front of Max! Something he has never achieved. This is real desperate commentary
Half the problem is they have so much airtime they just spout meaningless crap to fill the time.

Adrian W

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13,870 posts

228 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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It’s like “coming next Sebastian and Jenson have a chat” then after about a minute, “ you can see more in our xxxx program”

It’s desperation, they all have nothing to say.


carl_w

9,180 posts

258 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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Adrian W said:
It’s like “coming next Sebastian and Jenson have a chat” then after about a minute, “ you can see more in our xxxx program”

It’s desperation, they all have nothing to say.
Is it COVID related? They used to do a piece on the city they were in, and then show some sort of challenge (Kimi on the hovercraft, etc.)

Adrian W

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13,870 posts

228 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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I don’t know, but the content seems to have evaporated, just a lot of fill in waffle

Adrian W

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13,870 posts

228 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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Ignore the times on the screen, some bks powered by AWS says they are wrong

HARTLEYHARE1

588 posts

129 months

Saturday 6th November 2021
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cgt2 said:
I have to agree unfortunately. Very underrated driver, lovely guy, steeped in F1 history but dull as dishwater. Jenson is much better and Rosberg turned out to be better than the entire Sky team put together!
Never a better statement this weekend, watch the sky team of idiots do the opposite

iandc

3,717 posts

206 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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I know they all have to fill in airspace from time to time but the"pub banter" and giggling at the end of every meaningless sentence they utter is bloody annoying. Perhaps a little research would help them fill in with meaningful commentary rather than giggling about what they had for dinner the previous evening. It's like they think we might be remotely interested biggrin

realjv

1,114 posts

166 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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iandc said:
I know they all have to fill in airspace from time to time but the"pub banter" and giggling at the end of every meaningless sentence they utter is bloody annoying. Perhaps a little research would help them fill in with meaningful commentary rather than giggling about what they had for dinner the previous evening. It's like they think we might be remotely interested biggrin
The beauty of TV as opposed to radio is you have pictures and don't have to talk all the time to avoid 'dead air'. With the increased amount of on screen graphics and information sometimes the picture can be enough. (ESPN I believe had/have a philosophy that there should be enough information on screen for the viewer to follow what is happening when it is being show on a screen in a bar with no sound)

Sandpit Steve

10,036 posts

74 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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realjv said:
The beauty of TV as opposed to radio is you have pictures and don't have to talk all the time to avoid 'dead air'. With the increased amount of on screen graphics and information sometimes the picture can be enough. (ESPN I believe had/have a philosophy that there should be enough information on screen for the viewer to follow what is happening when it is being show on a screen in a bar with no sound)
F1 are apparently working on a lot more graphics, hopefully of the factual rather than predictive type. In the last couple of races we’ve seen the start analysis, looking at 0-100kph and reaction times. Pulling out things like which gaps are closing and who’d started going unusually fast or slow would be useful.

Rob Smedley has done a few interviews on the subject in recent weeks, he’s now working with F1 on performance analysis - for those who don’t know him, he spent a decade as a race engineer, most notably with Filipe Massa.

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Sandpit Steve said:
realjv said:
The beauty of TV as opposed to radio is you have pictures and don't have to talk all the time to avoid 'dead air'. With the increased amount of on screen graphics and information sometimes the picture can be enough. (ESPN I believe had/have a philosophy that there should be enough information on screen for the viewer to follow what is happening when it is being show on a screen in a bar with no sound)
F1 are apparently working on a lot more graphics, hopefully of the factual rather than predictive type. In the last couple of races we’ve seen the start analysis, looking at 0-100kph and reaction times. Pulling out things like which gaps are closing and who’d started going unusually fast or slow would be useful.

Rob Smedley has done a few interviews on the subject in recent weeks, he’s now working with F1 on performance analysis - for those who don’t know him, he spent a decade as a race engineer, most notably with Filipe Massa.
Yeah smedley talking about improving data was a bit galling, given I was watching 20 years ago with live timing on the side screen, something that now the several hundred quid I pay sky is not quite enough and they want to grasp more, and just to rub salt, we are subjected to Amazon's patronising attempts to digest for us our technical sport.

Smedley could do worse than sit down and watch how the motoGP boys run their shop


PH User

22,154 posts

108 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
Yeah smedley talking about improving data was a bit galling, given I was watching 20 years ago with live timing on the side screen, something that now the several hundred quid I pay sky is not quite enough and they want to grasp more, and just to rub salt, we are subjected to Amazon's patronising attempts to digest for us our technical sport.

Smedley could do worse than sit down and watch how the motoGP boys run their shop
You pay sky several hundred quid to watch F1?

RichB

51,567 posts

284 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
Yeah smedley talking about improving data was a bit galling, given I was watching 20 years ago with live timing on the side screen, something that now the several hundred quid I pay sky is not quite enough.
If you've got a laptop/notebook handy while you're watching the race you can get live timing here: https://f1.tfeed.net/live

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

46 months

Monday 8th November 2021
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Have to admit that I thought he was OK in Mexico, not usual for me to watch f1 live but he was bearable in comms for a change.

cgt2

7,100 posts

188 months

Monday 8th November 2021
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LukeBrown66 said:
Have to admit that I thought he was OK in Mexico, not usual for me to watch f1 live but he was bearable in comms for a change.
Apart from repeatedly getting the age wrong of the driver leading the WDC

patmahe

5,749 posts

204 months

Monday 8th November 2021
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LukeBrown66 said:
Have to admit that I thought he was OK in Mexico, not usual for me to watch f1 live but he was bearable in comms for a change.
Have to agree (and I've been very critical of him in the past) he kept the shouting to a minimum although I was casually watching rather than glued to it so maybe I just missed it smile

Gary C

12,427 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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patmahe said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Have to admit that I thought he was OK in Mexico, not usual for me to watch f1 live but he was bearable in comms for a change.
Have to agree (and I've been very critical of him in the past) he kept the shouting to a minimum although I was casually watching rather than glued to it so maybe I just missed it smile
I thought he was a bit more subdued on this time out.

Even his 'lights out...' twaddle seemed to be toned down.

He probably is on PH smile

LostM135idriver

657 posts

31 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Gary C said:
patmahe said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Have to admit that I thought he was OK in Mexico, not usual for me to watch f1 live but he was bearable in comms for a change.
Have to agree (and I've been very critical of him in the past) he kept the shouting to a minimum although I was casually watching rather than glued to it so maybe I just missed it smile
I thought he was a bit more subdued on this time out.

Even his 'lights out...' twaddle seemed to be toned down.

He probably is on PH smile
Yes, it was probably this 64th page of critique that finally convinced him.

Gary C

12,427 posts

179 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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LostM135idriver said:
Gary C said:
patmahe said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Have to admit that I thought he was OK in Mexico, not usual for me to watch f1 live but he was bearable in comms for a change.
Have to agree (and I've been very critical of him in the past) he kept the shouting to a minimum although I was casually watching rather than glued to it so maybe I just missed it smile
I thought he was a bit more subdued on this time out.

Even his 'lights out...' twaddle seemed to be toned down.

He probably is on PH smile
Yes, it was probably this 64th page of critique that finally convinced him.
No doubt.

cgt2

7,100 posts

188 months

Thursday 11th November 2021
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I think he must read this thread and go out of his way to act preposterous on the F1 Show.