Aston Martin F1 Team
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AJB88 said:
I think we will see a different Vettel next year, the weight of the Scuderia off his shoulders, hopefully RP/AM can carry the momentum of this year as well.
I'm a Scuderia fan but always nice to see "Manufacturer" teams enter/come back, I also live few hundred yards from Aston Martin Works so "local" team for me along with RBR.
I'm not convinced - I think Vettel's day has been and gone! I'm a Scuderia fan but always nice to see "Manufacturer" teams enter/come back, I also live few hundred yards from Aston Martin Works so "local" team for me along with RBR.
But I hope the team with "Aston Martin" stickers does better than when a team put "Ford" stickers on their cars.
Although I have my doubts!
It’s a small company that buys expensive bits from bigger companies. But they are not going to buy engines and transmissions from JL-R.
It’s also really short of cash. They need to start shifting those SUVs soon, or it won’t be possible for Lawrence to sell A-M branded goods, in the medium term.
It’s also really short of cash. They need to start shifting those SUVs soon, or it won’t be possible for Lawrence to sell A-M branded goods, in the medium term.
The Moose said:
Why?
Ferrari/Alfa
Red Bull/AlphaTauri
How much of Alfa Romeo does Ferrari own? How much does Binotto own?Ferrari/Alfa
Red Bull/AlphaTauri
AT haven't been accused of running a facsimile of the RB. Nor do they generally run so close to the front to upset the applecart.
I dont expect AM to stroll around towards the back, if you'll excuse the pun.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
The Moose said:
Why?
Ferrari/Alfa
Red Bull/AlphaTauri
How much of Alfa Romeo does Ferrari own? How much does Binotto own?Ferrari/Alfa
Red Bull/AlphaTauri
AT haven't been accused of running a facsimile of the RB. Nor do they generally run so close to the front to upset the applecart.
I dont expect AM to stroll around towards the back, if you'll excuse the pun.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
It starts to step on toes, having two F1 teams with considerable ownership/branding linked to Mercedes. Wolff has feet in both camps, too. The other teams aren't going to like it much.
AlphaTauri up until a few months back was called Torro Rosso which unless I'm very much mistaken translates to Bull Red or Red Bull which sounds rather like another F1 team...?? I answered your point (which was a fair one). The F1 community seems more preoccupied with the links between RP/AM and Mercedes than they do RB and TR/AT. Perhaps because RP have been pushing the front of midfield using ostensibly Mercedes IP via fax. Twas ever thus.
For reference (though not particularly exciting), from memory in Premier League football you're not allowed to own more than 10% in two teams.
For reference (though not particularly exciting), from memory in Premier League football you're not allowed to own more than 10% in two teams.
The issue (if there is one) is not so much with the ownership as with ensuring that IP remains appropriately separate. Toro Rossa have had accusations in the past of running with a Red Bull design, as have Haas (although not Alfa) with running a Ferrari clone. Both of these instances have precipitated specific rule changes to prevent a repeat. RP are just the latest to face such criticism from rivals, and a strengthening of ties between AM and MB will just add fuel that fire.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
RichB said:
xciting or not, what is the relevance?
Some high profile sports try to maintain integrity by forbidding owners from influencing two teams in the same competition. F1 doesn't. RichB said:
I fully understand that however I was questioning its relevance not what you meant by the comment.
I gave you the relevance. We are having a conversation about one team in a high profile sport potentially having ownership influence over another. I gave an example of how another high profile sport deals with this kind of situation. Seriously, do you have a point, or are you just here for the 30 minute argument?
Pericoloso said:
Red Bull and Alpha Tauri have always been fairly independent of each other being as their roots are Jaguar / Stewart GP and
Minardi respectively .
Is there a hotline between Milton Keynes and Faenza ?
RBR and STR chassis were both designed and manufactured by Red Bull Technologies in Milton Keynes between 2008 and 2010. There were various protests from other teams, and a rule change in 2010 prevented any company from being directly involved in the chassis of more than one team. Since then STR/AT have made their chassis in house in Faenza, as they had previously as Minardi.Minardi respectively .
Is there a hotline between Milton Keynes and Faenza ?
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
RichB said:
xciting or not, what is the relevance?
Some high profile sports try to maintain integrity by forbidding owners from influencing two teams in the same competition. F1 doesn't. look to the future for improvement of that situation..? Nah. Having a b-team to 'learn from' becomes all the more valuable in the post cost cap F1 economy.
I'm sure Liberty aren't blind to the fact that they're managing and sustaining an economy in the sport that requires top teams to have b-teams to be competitive. They're sustaining that situation as the only way to get a whole new wave of indie teams in would be to dramatically cut the costs of entry, at a stroke that would remove the current hybrid spec PU's from the equation, which would also lose the current manufacturers.
It's like a restaurant that's unable to update it's menu and decor for fear of losing their established customers, even though they'd desperately love to attract some new ones.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
RichB said:
I fully understand that however I was questioning its relevance not what you meant by the comment.
I gave you the relevance. We are having a conversation about one team in a high profile sport potentially having ownership influence over another. I gave an example of how another high profile sport deals with this kind of situation. Seriously, do you have a point, or are you just here for the 30 minute argument?Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff