Honda to leave F1

Honda to leave F1

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Hub

5,050 posts

156 months

Friday 2nd October
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It isn't good news. I can't see any new manufacturer wanting to enter the F1 market in the current climate of the combination of global recession and reduced economic activity due to the pandemic, moving away from internal combustion engines anyway, and the lack of much ROI from F1. How committed are Renault to F1 too? No customer teams next year... Red Bull won't have many options!

HighwayStar

3,037 posts

102 months

Friday 2nd October
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Leithen said:
Oh to have been with Cyril Abiteboul when he heard this news. hehe
Just this second heard this on TalkSport and that was my first thought too... of the irony. Erm, Cyril old mate, old buddy....

M5-911

238 posts

3 months

Friday 2nd October
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It was a rumour a while back. Now it's 100% sure. Cosworth or porsche engines.

Tyre Smoke

15,266 posts

219 months

Friday 2nd October
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No way does this affect Haas or Alfa Romeo. Haas is in all but name the Ferrari junior team and can you imagine an Alfa Romeo with a French or German engine? Yes, I know technically they're Swiss and Sauber, but the Italians would never countenance that.

Red Bull are going to paint on a smile as are Renault and draw a line under their previous aggro and move on. Why? Because they both have to. Renault need the teams and Red Bull need the engines. Personally, I don't see a lot changing. No new engine supplier is going to show up any time soon. If a behemoth like Honda don't see it as viable, then there is no way Mugen or Cosworth are going to jump in. And VAG just aren't interested.

TheDeuce

7,268 posts

24 months

Friday 2nd October
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Teppic said:
That’s Red Bull and AlphaTauri boned then. As Renault will only be powering one team in 2021, the rules say that as the engine manufacturer supplying the least number of teams they world be expected to provide Red Bull and AlphaTauri with engines. However, given the public slagging off form Horner and Marko during their last spell together, I suspect Renault would start negotiations by telling them to go and fk themselves. The grovelling and back-pedalling from Horner and Marko is going to be fun to watch.
No grovelling required. Renault are required to supply them with engines by default. It's up to RB & AT to seek alternative supply if they wish to. If they don't/can't then Renault have to supply them.

Of course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault smile

LP670

603 posts

84 months

Friday 2nd October
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time to get rid of all the hybrid and computer tech on f1 cars and go back to screaming engines and manual gearboxes. make it cheap and get more private teams involved.

Tyre Smoke

15,266 posts

219 months

Friday 2nd October
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LP670 said:
time to get rid of all the hybrid and computer tech on f1 cars and go back to screaming engines and manual gearboxes. make it cheap and get more private teams involved.
Will never happen. The pinnacle of motorsport must be seen to be the most technically innovative and advanced.

LaurasOtherHalf

18,121 posts

154 months

Friday 2nd October
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Absolutely gutted by this news, the possibility of Honda, Red Bull and Max coming good was exactly what the sport needs. I don't think it can be underestimated just how disruptive this news is to the formula as a whole over the next 2 or 3 years.


Exige77

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5,421 posts

149 months

Friday 2nd October
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I think we all know there is no alternative to Renault and RB getting back together but it t will be Horner and Max eating the humble pie.

That first contact between them will be amusing.


poo at Paul's

9,588 posts

133 months

Friday 2nd October
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Simple, Honda leave F1, Red Bull machine up an engine adapter plate, buy mercedes engine, and walk the world championship leaving everyone in their dust.
Naaahhhh, that'd never happen....


vaud

37,671 posts

113 months

Friday 2nd October
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Tyre Smoke said:
LP670 said:
time to get rid of all the hybrid and computer tech on f1 cars and go back to screaming engines and manual gearboxes. make it cheap and get more private teams involved.
Will never happen. The pinnacle of motorsport must be seen to be the most technically innovative and advanced.
And F2/F3 cannot be more advanced or faster than F1.

Deesee

4,532 posts

41 months

Friday 2nd October
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Exige77 said:
I think we all know there is no alternative to Renault and RB getting back together but it t will be Horner and Max eating the humble pie.

That first contact between them will be amusing.
Or he could try and get a deal with Merc or Ferrari..

hehe



Exige77

Original Poster:

5,421 posts

149 months

Friday 2nd October
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Deesee said:
Exige77 said:
I think we all know there is no alternative to Renault and RB getting back together but it t will be Horner and Max eating the humble pie.

That first contact between them will be amusing.
Or he could try and get a deal with Merc or Ferrari..

hehe
Good luck to them with that smile

Robberto

45 posts

40 months

Friday 2nd October
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miniman said:
laugh This would a hilarious clause to put into a supply deal until the “Dacia” engined RB and/or AT go round one or both of the Alpines...

Deesee

4,532 posts

41 months

Friday 2nd October
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TheDeuce said:
No grovelling required. Renault are required to supply them with engines by default. It's up to RB & AT to seek alternative supply if they wish to. If they don't/can't then Renault have to supply them.

Of course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault smile
Don’t worry Cyril you can deal directly with me hehe



Deesee

4,532 posts

41 months

Friday 2nd October
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Exige77 said:
Deesee said:
Exige77 said:
I think we all know there is no alternative to Renault and RB getting back together but it t will be Horner and Max eating the humble pie.

That first contact between them will be amusing.
Or he could try and get a deal with Merc or Ferrari..

hehe
Good luck to them with that smile
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JPvanRossem

655 posts

24 months

Friday 2nd October
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Deesee said:
The new PU supplier will be the existing marquee with the fewest customers...

biglaugh
Here's a marquee with no customers. Not sure how much use that is Red Bull.

Megaflow

7,224 posts

183 months

Friday 2nd October
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Unless somebody has been working on an engine project for a least a year in secret, there isn’t going to be any new suppliers for 2022. So that leaves the encumbrance suppliers. Of which Mercedes have 4 for next year, and ferrari have 3, Renault just themselves. So unless Mercedes or ferrari choose to do a deal with Red Bull, highly unlikely IMO, the supplier with the least customers will be obliged to supply the... Renault... karma is a bh!

rofl

Leithen

6,582 posts

225 months

Friday 2nd October
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I suspect F1 and the FIA are scheduling Zoom calls with Forsythe and Kalkhoven as we speak. Or they have been ongoing for sometime.

This ought to be a wakeup call if it were at all needed about relying on multinational car manufacturers for engines.

spunkytherabbit

346 posts

138 months

Friday 2nd October
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TheDeuce said:
No grovelling required. Renault are required to supply them with engines by default. It's up to RB & AT to seek alternative supply if they wish to. If they don't/can't then Renault have to supply them.

Of course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault smile
That's the stupid thing though isn't it. RBR/Horner/Marco won't approach it delicately. Their attitude will be 'well Renault are obliged to supply us, so give us the fkin engine. It'll be st mind, but you gotta give it me, so give it'. Rather than recognising neither of them want to be in a situation of working together but trying to put the best foot forward for a few years.