Honda to leave F1
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It isn't good news. I can't see any new manufacturer wanting to enter the F1 market in the current climate of the combination of global recession and reduced economic activity due to the pandemic, moving away from internal combustion engines anyway, and the lack of much ROI from F1. How committed are Renault to F1 too? No customer teams next year... Red Bull won't have many options!
No way does this affect Haas or Alfa Romeo. Haas is in all but name the Ferrari junior team and can you imagine an Alfa Romeo with a French or German engine? Yes, I know technically they're Swiss and Sauber, but the Italians would never countenance that.
Red Bull are going to paint on a smile as are Renault and draw a line under their previous aggro and move on. Why? Because they both have to. Renault need the teams and Red Bull need the engines. Personally, I don't see a lot changing. No new engine supplier is going to show up any time soon. If a behemoth like Honda don't see it as viable, then there is no way Mugen or Cosworth are going to jump in. And VAG just aren't interested.
Red Bull are going to paint on a smile as are Renault and draw a line under their previous aggro and move on. Why? Because they both have to. Renault need the teams and Red Bull need the engines. Personally, I don't see a lot changing. No new engine supplier is going to show up any time soon. If a behemoth like Honda don't see it as viable, then there is no way Mugen or Cosworth are going to jump in. And VAG just aren't interested.
Teppic said:
That’s Red Bull and AlphaTauri boned then. As Renault will only be powering one team in 2021, the rules say that as the engine manufacturer supplying the least number of teams they world be expected to provide Red Bull and AlphaTauri with engines. However, given the public slagging off form Horner and Marko during their last spell together, I suspect Renault would start negotiations by telling them to go and f
k themselves. The grovelling and back-pedalling from Horner and Marko is going to be fun to watch.
No grovelling required. Renault are required to supply them with engines by default. It's up to RB & AT to seek alternative supply if they wish to. If they don't/can't then Renault have to supply them.k themselves. The grovelling and back-pedalling from Horner and Marko is going to be fun to watch.Of course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault
LP670 said:
time to get rid of all the hybrid and computer tech on f1 cars and go back to screaming engines and manual gearboxes. make it cheap and get more private teams involved.
Will never happen. The pinnacle of motorsport must be seen to be the most technically innovative and advanced.
Tyre Smoke said:
LP670 said:
time to get rid of all the hybrid and computer tech on f1 cars and go back to screaming engines and manual gearboxes. make it cheap and get more private teams involved.
Will never happen. The pinnacle of motorsport must be seen to be the most technically innovative and advanced.Deesee said:
Exige77 said:
I think we all know there is no alternative to Renault and RB getting back together but it t will be Horner and Max eating the humble pie.
That first contact between them will be amusing.
Or he could try and get a deal with Merc or Ferrari..That first contact between them will be amusing.
This would a hilarious clause to put into a supply deal until the “Dacia” engined RB and/or AT go round one or both of the Alpines...TheDeuce said:
No grovelling required. Renault are required to supply them with engines by default. It's up to RB & AT to seek alternative supply if they wish to. If they don't/can't then Renault have to supply them.
Of course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault
Don’t worry Cyril you can deal directly with me Of course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault
Exige77 said:
Deesee said:
Exige77 said:
I think we all know there is no alternative to Renault and RB getting back together but it t will be Horner and Max eating the humble pie.
That first contact between them will be amusing.
Or he could try and get a deal with Merc or Ferrari..That first contact between them will be amusing.
Unless somebody has been working on an engine project for a least a year in secret, there isn’t going to be any new suppliers for 2022. So that leaves the encumbrance suppliers. Of which Mercedes have 4 for next year, and ferrari have 3, Renault just themselves. So unless Mercedes or ferrari choose to do a deal with Red Bull, highly unlikely IMO, the supplier with the least customers will be obliged to supply the... Renault... karma is a bh!
h! TheDeuce said:
No grovelling required. Renault are required to supply them with engines by default. It's up to RB & AT to seek alternative supply if they wish to. If they don't/can't then Renault have to supply them.
Of course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault
That's the stupid thing though isn't it. RBR/Horner/Marco won't approach it delicately. Their attitude will be 'well Renault are obliged to supply us, so give us the fkin engine. It'll be sOf course... It might help the end result if they take some steps to improve their relationship ahead of relying on Renault
t mind, but you gotta give it me, so give it'. Rather than recognising neither of them want to be in a situation of working together but trying to put the best foot forward for a few years.This a shame, the last thing F1 needs is the closest team to Mercedes being hobbled.
Interesting situation for Red Bull now. There is no way Merc are going to supply their closest direct challenger.
The Ferrari power unit is no longer strong since having their behind closed doors deal so that isn't attractive either. Add to the fact that Ferrari will not want the works cars being beaten by a customer team.
As I see it the logical move is a return to Renault with their tail between their legs.
It would actually pose an interesting marketing opportunity for Renault who could realistically have their Alpine branded unit in the works car and run a Renault branded unit in the Red Bull. It would likely give Red Bull some bargaining chips with Renault?
The other option being that RB buy the Honda IP and brand the engines themselves?
Interesting situation for Red Bull now. There is no way Merc are going to supply their closest direct challenger.
The Ferrari power unit is no longer strong since having their behind closed doors deal so that isn't attractive either. Add to the fact that Ferrari will not want the works cars being beaten by a customer team.
As I see it the logical move is a return to Renault with their tail between their legs.
It would actually pose an interesting marketing opportunity for Renault who could realistically have their Alpine branded unit in the works car and run a Renault branded unit in the Red Bull. It would likely give Red Bull some bargaining chips with Renault?
The other option being that RB buy the Honda IP and brand the engines themselves?
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