Honda to leave F1
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Oilchange said:
Has anyone seen the terms of both drivers contracts?
Have you? It seems a daft theory to suggest if you haven't. As others have said, it would be a stupid waste of money that could be spent making the car faster, to put someone expensive like Vettel in a seat and then contractually restrict him from beating Stroll.Vettel is there to help the team get better results. If they don't want that, why get rid of Perez and his money?
Oilchange said:
Has anyone seen the terms of both drivers contracts?
Now you're really reaching.He (Vettel) is not a number two driver. You don't hire a proven winner and pay him many millions not to win.
Knowing what we do about Vettel, if Stroll Jnr was getting preferential treatment then he wouldn't have signed, he'd have just retired and left the sport.
Of course not but nobody knows on what terms he or any of the drivers are driving under. Shooting down my theory without knowing the facts is just silly. Even if it is a far out theory.
Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 15th October 10:49
Oilchange said:
If it was the only offer on the table, what about then?
Seriously!!!??? Listen to his Beyond The Grid piece... Things clearly aren’t going well for him this year. He needs a car that plays to his strength which he has got. He’s literally in the same position as those who have occupied the n°2 seat at RedBull. The car is not to their liking. The Aston Martin won’t be the edgy high rake concept. A car he can work with, in a team he can work with. As a 4xWDC they are not going to offer/he wouldn’t accept a support role. In fact they wouldn’t need him, they could’ve kept Perez for that or gone for oh I don’t know... Hulkenberg or tried to entice Kimi to mentor Lance.
There’s no way Seb would’ve signed on the terms you’ve floated. They’ll be paying him big wedge, that won’t be to play the Barrichello/Massa role.
Edited by HighwayStar on Thursday 15th October 10:54
Oilchange said:
Of course not but nobody knows on what terms he or any of the drivers are driving under. Shooting down my theory without knowing the facts is just silly.
Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
Y'know what? Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
I haven't seen Carlos Sainz's Ferrari contract either but I'm fairly sure that it doesn't specify that if he wins then he has to do the Macarena on the podium.
The reason I know this is logic and common sense.
But hey, nobody knows.....
Oilchange said:
Lol, fair enough but it appears to me that in F1 anything is possible.
Faster driver have been hamstrung in the past to give favour to slower team mates.
Without getting into the whole team orders/team sport thing.... it happens and we know why.Faster driver have been hamstrung in the past to give favour to slower team mates.
I think it’s safe to say most PHers here are expecting Seb to be faster than Lance. If he is and keeps it facing the right way for whole races... what would be the point of keeping Seb behind Lance for the whole season if they are both still on track?
Oilchange said:
Lol, fair enough but it appears to me that in F1 anything is possible.
Faster driver have been hamstrung in the past to give favour to slower team mates.
Can you point us to similar previous examples of your theory ? Faster driver have been hamstrung in the past to give favour to slower team mates.
You know, hiring a 4 times WDC and paying him $$$$ and firing a successful previous driver that brought many $$$$ to the team ?
Anything is possible in F1 but some things are more probable than possible.
We're going O/T here but it seems that people think that Racing Point/Aston Martin are Lawrence Stroll's folly - a train set to allow his son to race.
Of course, having a team gives him the luxury of choosing Lance as a driver but that's where it ends.
RP have some serious people with serious money involved. They've shown they're serious by spending a lot of money on a multiple world champion
If they started hampering their own progress to favour Lance, it would come crashing down pretty quickly.
Of course, having a team gives him the luxury of choosing Lance as a driver but that's where it ends.
RP have some serious people with serious money involved. They've shown they're serious by spending a lot of money on a multiple world champion
If they started hampering their own progress to favour Lance, it would come crashing down pretty quickly.
TwentyFive said:
A couple of years ago I would have entirely agreed with that view of Stroll and whilst its factually true that Stoll is a pay driver, his performance is way beyond that of a typical pay driver, especially in the last 12 months.
Lets not forget that Vettel never won the F3 Euroseries, he was beaten to the title by Paul Di Resta. Stroll did win the F3 series and beat George Russell to that title who we all tend to agree seems like the real deal.
Maybe he is actually better than he gets the credit for and the 'pay driver' tag is just something he needs to carry around, maybe unfairly thanks to his old man?
You are right to say that if Vettel gets beaten by Stroll then it will confirm he is long past his best, but I think that is plain to see already tbh.
It's a lot easier to enjoy/focus on racing (and therefore perform well) when you know bad performance won't lose your seatLets not forget that Vettel never won the F3 Euroseries, he was beaten to the title by Paul Di Resta. Stroll did win the F3 series and beat George Russell to that title who we all tend to agree seems like the real deal.
Maybe he is actually better than he gets the credit for and the 'pay driver' tag is just something he needs to carry around, maybe unfairly thanks to his old man?
You are right to say that if Vettel gets beaten by Stroll then it will confirm he is long past his best, but I think that is plain to see already tbh.
Muzzer79 said:
We're going O/T here but it seems that people think that Racing Point/Aston Martin are Lawrence Stroll's folly - a train set to allow his son to race.
Of course, having a team gives him the luxury of choosing Lance as a driver but that's where it ends.
RP have some serious people with serious money involved. They've shown they're serious by spending a lot of money on a multiple world champion
If they started hampering their own progress to favour Lance, it would come crashing down pretty quickly.
100%Of course, having a team gives him the luxury of choosing Lance as a driver but that's where it ends.
RP have some serious people with serious money involved. They've shown they're serious by spending a lot of money on a multiple world champion
If they started hampering their own progress to favour Lance, it would come crashing down pretty quickly.
Choosing Stroll over Perez is a completely different scenario to hiring Vettel and then not letting him beat Stroll.
Lawrence Stroll just wants his son in a car. It doesn't matter if a 4x WDC is going to wipe the floor with him, as that wouldn't be surprising.
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